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 sounds like the Swiss know how to educate their young for a career.
It just makes so much sense - since the kids are going to be mostly working out in the world in businesses(sure there will be some who pursue an academic career in computer science) why not get them out there as soon as possible.
The British education system could learn something from the Swiss.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Actually, a very large fraction (might be half) of the professional programmers are self taught. Many even lurk here at CP.
In some ways, it's like being a musician: Some create; some are hacks - no amount of schooling will be able to fix it.
Not intended as a put-down of 'the hacks': different folks have different aptitudes. When their work and aptitude happen to coincide, it's a beautiful thing. Unfortunately, that's not always how people choose careers.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I think you make some very good points.
Regarding youtube there are a lot of poor tutorials out there however in some cases I have found that youtube videos help me understand concepts better than reading an article. It's generally accepted among the teaching profession nowadays that different people have different ways of learning and for some people a decent youtube tutorial may be the way to go.
The issue then becomes finding decent youtube tutorials and it can take a bit of digging.
A lot of what I learnt regarding SSRS was via a channel called Wise Owl and I find it very generous that he put all these tutorials out there for free.
I wonder if part of the issue is that analysing/designing/developing/coding/programming is presented, by marketing departments, as something anyone can learn over a weekend/week.
When those of us who have been doing it for a few years know the huge effort and commitment involved in becoming barely competent.
Perhaps it would frighten a lot of people away if the truth of how much effort is involved came out, there again it may keep those who have the gumption in the game.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I look at the state of politics in the US (both parties) and can only shake my head. Not side-to-side, but nodding up and down: It all makes perfect sense.
Yeah this election is like watching "The Price is Right"
...come on down your the next contestant...
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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I don't know if I agree or not, because your post had more than 4 words and it didn't contain any video content so I moved on.
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You're not the first to notice: The Lounge - CodeProject[^]
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Of course they need someone to tell them what to do. Intellectually brain-dead people have been around for a long time, but previously they would voluntarily enroll as de-facto slaves, earning just enough to survive on food bought from the employer-owned shop and to pay rent for the employer-owned slave pens housing. That option is gone, so they now vote for the Communist Party and try to survive in the meantime by getting random people to tell them what to do.
There is still the option to become cannon fodder, but apparently some independent thought is required for that these days.
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You probably (and a lot of us that started programming before the internets) used books as your source for learning programming.
Most of the "learn to program" books were as bad as youtube videos.
Different generation, different tools.
You over-react.
I'd rather be phishing!
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But put in another light:
We used to make fun of the "Learn X in 21 days" books as being unrealistic.
Then came along the "Learn X in 24 hours" books.
Now we're down to YouTube videos.
Ultimately, I'll grant you that the delivery medium doesn't matter, as long as the material covered is the same. But I can't say I've come across many free coding tutorials on YouTube that I could honestly say are the modern-day equivalent of the good quality 1200 page bricks of yesteryear.
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Just another one of (the many) real life examples of yesterday's Dilbert. Yes, it is sad, but I suspect like me, you started your development career before the dayas of the internet, and were actually forced by necessity to study the documentation and learn the hard way.
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I think you're missing the forest for the trees. I don't think it has anything to do with attention span or dedication or interest, although each of those are impacted as secondary effects.
I think it's a manifestation of the entitlement mentality. Why should Joey Millennial learn to code when all these CPers already have the answers? Lil' Joey is entitled to those answers, regardless of the cost that we paid to get them.
// About 20 paragraphs left out since this isn't the soapbox
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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I find it often the case the people who have reached some level of mastery of a skill/craft/art find it impossible to remember when they were incapable of knowing how to get started learning said skill/craft/art, incapable of discriminating truly useful educational content from useless content.
And, these same people, taking their hard-won levels of attainment for granted, tend to perceive newcomers as lazy, as well as confused.
Remember the old song: "like a one-eyed cat looking in a seafood store" ?
In CodeProject QA I believe many beginners are:
1. doing homework, and are in classes with poor quality instruction, poor class content, etc.
2. have problems learning partially because English is not a "native" language for them.
3. well yes, some are homework-shirkers, and work-avoiders
But, there may be many others who do have an appetite to learn, are eager, willing; we may not be able to detect that from their posts which may be awkward for whatever reasons.
I'm an old critter for whom technical learning is mainly done by using books, and direct experimentation; it's taken me a few years to get "used to" using on-line resources. I generally don't care to look at video content, but I know people who are evidently finding very useful content on YouTube videos.
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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To be honest... I don't care if youtube, a 21 days for X languages book or whatever...
What I think it is sad is:
What have you tried?
Answer that brings no useful information at all to the problem you are asking.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: What have you tried?
I always thought that meant the "expert" didn't know the answer, so they write "what have you tried?", because they really don't f***ing know how to answer this QA question.
"Hey Bob, the main thruster on rocket 2 just went out, I think we are going to crash, what should we do?" --- I don't know, what have you tried? 
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Is it just me or does this Mike Posner[^] track sound a lot like somebody else's work? I can't think who, when or where, but it sure sounds familiar.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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NSFW should be in the soapbox. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I can't see anything nsfw in his post anyways, apart from that some employers might slaughter their employees if caught on Youtube, or listening to this style of 'music'.
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Marco Bertschi wrote: I can't see anything nsfw in his post anyways,
I don't know. OP marked it that way.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The video might be taken to be promoting illicit drug use and there's a very obvious sweary bit in the first couple of lines so it seemed reasonable to add a warning, that's all.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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It was just weird that you admitted NSFW but put in Lounge.
From the top of Lounge: Quote: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it
Note: I didn't mark it as abusive because you warned us. I just found it ironic a bit.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Indeed, it sounds just like a lot of music I don't listen to!
Marc
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I just dialed your number. The lady had some cross words for you - can you change your CP alias to another number? 
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Quick reminder to @Eddy-Vluggen that you're still on the hook for the Saturday Game!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Well I went the upgrade route from Win 7 to 10 and so far so good
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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