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What I did differently this time is update all the drivers from Dells site before running the update and it was fine - what's puzzling me is - why do I need to do a clean install after upgrading when the upgrade worked fine ?
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modified 8-May-16 11:12am.
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If the upgrade works - fine. Don't bother with a clean install.
I believe that one thing that is different about a clean install, is that the installer will search the Internet for the correct drivers, while an upgrade uses the existing drivers. However, I am not sure about this. Your experience where the problems went away after you manually updated drivers, seems to confirm this.
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Ok that makes sense - I do think the clean ( although a lot of work reinstalling everything ) install is good though nothing like a good old format to clear everything out - I am now a Win 10 ( albeit forced on me ) user. Thanks for your help.
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 Welcome to 10! One further suggestion: Use Griff's suggested AOMEI to make systems drive images from time to time. And save the images on an external USB-connected drive that is not normally connected to the computer. This will give you an image to revert to, if you are ever attacked by a Ransom virus. Also keep backups of your data on a similar drive, in case a Ransom virus encrypts all data files on your machine and drives connected to your machine.
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Oh I have I need to buy more external drives now 
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Consider using one with two partitions: One partition for images and the other for data backups. 
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They are so affordable now I'll just buy some more
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Apologies for the plug, but if you may want to read my article here on CP about surviving the Ransom Virus. Just click on my name and then on my articles to find it.
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Ah - hang on - I misread your original post (that's what mowing the lawn does to me, turns my brain off)
If you want to restore some file (rather than the whole image), you boot windows normally, then open AOMEI and select "Utilities"..."Explore Image". Then select the backup the files are on, "Next", click on the backup itself, "Next", Select the disk(s) you are interested in and the drive letters you want, "Next", "Finish".
Now they are loaded as virtual drives!
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OriginalGriff wrote: that's what mowing the lawn does to me, turns my brain off
Not to be rude, that sounds like a sheep joke
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I wish it was sheep that mowed it...apparently that won't be the last time I have to do it this year...
Anything that you have to come back and do all over again just means you didn't do it right the first time!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Anything that you have to come back and do all over again just means you didn't do it right the first time!
Yes, but you do understand why your missus decided that you weren't allowed to keep sheep any more, don't you?
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Not really.
They had lovely...
...kidneys.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Anything that you have to come back and do all over again just means you didn't do it right the first time!
Well[^] 
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Damn right you are, I bought a robot to do it for me.
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Your wife? 
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You're obviously not married.
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Thanks Griff I have it sorted now - what a brilliant bit of free software AOMEI is.
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Isn't that easier to keep some natural lawn mower[^]? You can keep it motivated with some easy tricks[^]...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Ok but I was doing it using the boot disk
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You should only need the boot disk for for image restores: when you don't want to boot the OS but overwrite it!
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Yes I realize that now - did you persevere and stick with 10 in the end ?
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Yeah - mostly because I have to support a couple of friends (and their mother) who are using it. Still ugly, still annoying. But it is getting better, very, very slowly. If you think of it as "Win 8 SP2" then you're not far off.
Edge is total cr@p though...best used to download something that works! 
The Mail app is useless: Metro rubbish that doesn't play nicely with anything. Live Mail (free as part of the Windows Essentials package) is basically Outlook, so that works nicely.
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Iv'e been reading a lot of negative stuff about it ever since I started on this journey everything from it calling home all the time and collecting your data and passwords - don't really know what to believe - the worse thing for me so far is them totally f???ing up solitaire - I'll run with it for a while and see how it goes - if you have any tips on improving it ( apart from binning it ) please let me know.
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