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Mark_Wallace wrote: less and less like windows will be the future, in future.
What will take it's place, do you think? And when?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Lemme just check my crystal ball...
Oh, wait!
I'm not a fortune teller!
But what I do see is that, despite the absolutely massive wumao campaign by ms (orders of magnitude larger than any they've tried to pull off in the past), the "best/safest windows ever" (according to the wumao) is becoming more and more reviled by average users and business users, not just the savvy.
It's going way beyond any anti-ms stuff in the past -- but that's hardly surprising; two boner OSes in a row is five too many; and the mess they're making of ms office + the ridiculously heavy push toward cloud services (which most people and few businesses trust) is really feeding back hard (not that they're paying attention to negative feedback).
The biggest problem is that they've put themselves in a position where they can't U-turn -- they can't do a "sorry about Vista; have Weven" again, because, well, you can't do that more than once without looking completely incompetent, and you certainly can't do it after pushing Two duff revisions of a product as hard as they've pushed them.
They won't collapse, obviously; they're way too big. But they're forcing themselves into the same position as Big Blue, where they'll still be a household name, but not many "households" will actually use their flagship product.
If linux weren't such a pile of user-unfriendly sh1te, it would have overtaken ms in more than just the server market, by now.
As windows users start looking for alternatives, linux will grow, and so will the demand for the kind of user-friendliness that windows users are used to.
We're entering another period where names will be made. I think that's cool -- and about time!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I've heard these same arguments for about 15 years now. I thought maybe you had something. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Did wheelman570z get banned, or something?
He made valid points, but when I answered, I was told that the message I was responding to didn't exist.
OK, so maybe he was a tiny bit vehement (a really tiny bit; totally acceptable), but there was no bad language, and expressing opinions vehemently is what lounges are for -- and, as I say, he made valid points that are worth discussing.
I feel like I've been robbed of an intelligent discussion.
Oh, wait!
I Have been robbed of an intelligent discussion
Now I'm stuck with that bluddy ryandev!
Om Mane Padme Om, and all that.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Because linux community is an open source community. It can't feed me. That's why.
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Well, I must say the search function in Windows Explorer is equally bad. In that particular cesspool I also like to use a proper file management program instead. Usually go with FAR in Windows. On Linux my weapon of choice is Krusader. You're probably guessing I'm in the split-view Norton Commander camp when it comes to FMs.
However, I must say that I was working on a default Ubuntu installation the other day. I really didn't have any trouble finding the search button in the Nautilus FM (i.e. Ubuntu Unity's default FM). It's just the magnifying glass icon (same as the WinExpl ribbon has). And it's even more like WinExpl ... wildcards also don't help in search terms and multiple search terms just give you more unrelated results, not less. So it's search parser is equally badly implemented. One of the many reasons I don't use Windows' Explorer.
Though I would allow that the Nautilus file manager is definitely not the greatest, there are other alternatives. In particular (if you don't like a NC-like split panel) I've found Thunar and Dolphin to be much nicer to use than Nautilus/WinExpl. If I'm on a LXDE desktop (like Lubuntu) then even the cut back PCmanFM feels a lot more user friendly and powerful than those two.
But really ... I would highly recommend you go with a decent NC-like FM. It brings all the benefits of a GUI program and add them onto the CLI interface. You get the very best of both worlds. What's more is that if you SSH into a remote server you can still use a TUI based FM like Midnight Commander and have the same functionality as you're used to (even when your connection only allows text, no need to RDP or VNC) - especially useful for server management (means you don't need any wasteful desktops on your server).
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irneb wrote: I would highly recommend you go with a decent NC-like FM.
I'll second that. And even third that (although I know that three is odd  ).
Using Total Commander on Windows 7 - finds all kinds of stuff fast that Windows Explorer totally misses. And file management is just way easier and less error-prone.
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Agreed ... in my experience FAR and Krusader tends to search orders of magnitude faster than WinExpl or Nautilus, while also finding more relevant results and having much more control over search criteria (i.e. allow and/or and proper wildcards, as well as "actually" specifying the root search folder and not screwing your results by following its own paths like Windows does). And both then also allow you to save these searches as virtual folders - so you can repeat such searches in a click or two (or even just a button press) next time. Not to mention the selection filters in FAR is a breeze to use, while Krusader's is even better (just start typing the file name).
Haven't used TC before, may give it a try in Windows (seems very similar to Krusader). While FAR is more like a traditional NC (i.e. text based inside a DOS console, like Midnight Commander for Windows) and lightweight like it's not even there - it does work well even with copy-pastes and drag-drops though, some really nifty programming went into it it seems.
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Another fan here of TotalCommander. Small, fast, clean and customizable. And FREE upgrades forever!
Searches available both in local window (crtl-s) and the universal search (Alt-F7)
I gave up on file explorer back in the early 90s and never came back.
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took me a long time to switch up to win 7, but once i understood the search, being able to just press WinKey then type what i was after, that was then when i liked Win7.
But to be clear, i was doing that on Mac with spotlight before (maybe 1 or 2 years before).
And Im not talking about files, but like if want to get to the uninstall page. no need to go to control panel, trying to remember if it is under "Applications and Programs" or "Programs and Features".
The search allows to to jump to many settings sections in about half the actions required.
Then Win8, which destroyed this great feature, by separating the search into Apps/Settings and something else (i do not use 8 much), mean instead of just typing "unin" then down arrow a few times and enter. In Win8 get the impression there is nothing for "unin" because as im typing im looking left not right.
they fixed this in 8.1, but how they missed that was just terrible design.
but as i said near top- I had used Apple Spotlight for this all search. They might even be doing it better as i think they have aliases on many of their settings?
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I had an issue with that type of thing at first as well. I was so mad when ubuntu changed over. Eventually at the job I had to get used to windows 8 and realized that there are a lot of similarities.
So to find a file in ubuntu you should be able to simply open the thinga-ma-jigger by hitting the "windows" key and type whatever you know of the file name. At least I've not had problems doing that - but I also don't have to search for files very often.
I've also built my career on microsoft, but I don't have that OS at home. At the present moment I do html5 and Java on a mac, but this is the first time professionally I've had that chance. I don't really have a problem with any OS. I prefer linux at home because I'm the one making the choice, but I don't mind any of them.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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In default Ubuntu - In unity, you just press the windows key (or otherwise select the menu) and start typing. Unless it's been configured otherwise, it works the same way windows does. It's exactly as non-obvious as the Windows 10 approach.
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pmauriks wrote: It's exactly as non-obvious as the Windows 10 approach.
But in Windows 10 if you have the file explorer open you can search from there, which makes more sense.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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In Unity, you simply open the start menu (or whatever it is called) and start typing. Sometimes, the old ways to do things are just that: Old. Not good, simply old.
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Mike Hankey wrote: why isn't Bob pictured with a sewing machine?
Because he isn't a 75 year-old grandmother...
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Nor am I, but I can run a sewing machine, at least the basics. Enough to make replacement curtain liners for the house, and to put a new zipper in Herself's favourite raincoat.
They are complicated machines them: have a look at how they sew and it's amazing that anyone came up with it. Poetry in motion that bottom shuttle (or whatever it's called).
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Your many talents never ceases to amaze me!!
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And you've never heard me sing!
For which you should be extremely grateful: People will walk hundreds of miles to get away from it! Indeed, most will run, with their fingers firmly in their ears, screaming "LA LA LA LA" at the top of their voices. Some will need counseling.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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You're as good as me then.
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I bought a machine and make all my own backpacking gear. Very basic stuff but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying it.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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And probably a whole load better quality these days... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Absolutely. I sleep in a hammock and the tarps they sell barely cover the hammock and unless the rain is straight down you're going to get wet. So I made one that will not only cover well but I can cook and sit under it if a good rain comes...and it does rain in Florida. Also it's very light weight.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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The last three years BBC has run a competitive sewing programme (The Great British Sewing Bee). The vast majority of contestants have been under 35 with the youngest just 19. Sewing's big in Britain!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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