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I think you should have said something like sounds like control so knob becomes nob  but hey ho - now for tomorrows 
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Me awesome.
May not be the answer to your CCC but it is damn obvious.
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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Wrong answer - or perhaps right answer but not to this question?
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Hello all,
I've been thinking about a small server, but probably a NAS would be a much better solution in my case.
I'm interested in:
1. Subversion/GIT server.
2. File server (protecting accesses given user credentials).
3. RAID.
4. Being able to backup all the pictures on all the cell phones at home.
5. DLNA to connect it to all the house TV's and devices.
I think a sinology solution would work perfectly for all those things.
Questions:
A. Do you use NAS solutions to perform all those tasks? is it a good move? do you recommend it?
B. How do you make backups of the NAS device?
I understand both RAID and hot swap capabilities make it much more safer, but given an electric problem it could all be burned, how do you backup your NAS? in a server you can use tapes... but what is used in a NAS?
Thank you all.
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I've used a Synology NAS for years, quite happy with it, although I don't use nearly as much of its capabilities as I could. I mainly use it as one of my backups (so I don't backup the NAS, it's just one of the devices I backup onto).
One thing I did is I put 2 server grade disks in it (RAID), and I have the NAS for about 4 years now and it's still running without problems.
Wout
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I just built a very small low powered silent (no fans or spinning HDD's) "server" that can do all those tasks, I'm mainly using it as a Roon server (http://www.roonlabs.com)
Its got an ASRock mITX mobo with an Intel N3160 processor and uses around 10W of power in total, the CPU uses just 6W!
Its running Ubuntu server and its great, the best media server I've ever built when considering power usage vs performance.
Its got space for three internal 2.5" drives but I'm also using an external raid USB3.0 caddy with 2x4tb HDD's mirrored, which should take care of data security, but taking separate backups would be a good idea.
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I have a Seagate Business 4 bay 16TB NAS, in RAID 5 - it's my third (or possibly fourth) NAS now, and it's definitely worth having!
I've never thought of putting GIT on it - might be an idea, but I use BitBucket as a GIT server as I get an "additional backup" which is offsite that way.
Individual users on all my NAS's have had read / read-write access permissions - Michelle has some access to my NAS but only read-only so she doesn't get scared of making a mistake. It lets her play movie and music without being allowed to add or delete files, but to have read-write access to her backup folder, and no access at all to mine!
I use RAID5: my 16TB HDD's give me 11TB or so of space. Had a disk fail on a previous NAS and all I had to do was get a new disk, replace the duff one and carry on - no data lost, no "down time".
My phones / tablets are Android, and have ES File explorer loaded - so they access the NAS with no problems at all.
DLNA works fine to my Chromecast and Amazon Fire TV sticks. For Chromecast I use LocalCast, on Fire I use VLC.
Backups. Ah. Well...no, I don't - I use it as one of my backup devices, and I don't back it up, though I could (at a cost) - it has a USM interface, but I don't have any USM drives. In theory, it will sync itself to a second NAS over the internet, if I had a second NAS in a different location. That would be a prefered option if I decide I need this backed up. I might; I'm generally paranoid about backups and thinking about this is making the back of my head itch... Probably cheaper than enough USM drives to do a "proper" backup...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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At £4,647.05 (current price on Amazon) I think you have/had a lot more money than me to spend  Unless you got someone else to pay for it.
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It didn't cost that when I bought it!
Under £400 IIRC - I'd have to check back paperwork to be sure.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Under £400 for 16Tb, that's a good price!
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I thought so at the time - it was a special offer IIRC, down from around £700 but I can't remember where I got it...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I've had a NAS for years (more than I can remember). At first, i was running FreeNAS, but they changed it to the point where the new version's filesystem wasn't at all compatible with the old version's filesystem, so I lost about 900 movies that had stored on the drives. I got pissed, and removed FreeNAS and installed Win7. My NAS box has 15TB of drives in in it. I use it to serve movies and store backups from my other machines.
I wrote an article about building a NAS box:
Build Your Own NAS Device[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Interesting, any updates since 2011?
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I posted a comment about it about a year ago regarding the hardware failure.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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A. Yes. Yes. Yes.
B. Amazon unlimited
Synology is what I use. (RAID 1). Pretty painless so far.
Building your own is also good if you have the time and inclination. For me it wasn't worth the effort.
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Store-bought NAS devices are not nearly as upgradable as a regular PC. I have 18 drive bays in my NAS, and have support installed right now for 10 drives. You simply cannot do that with a store-bought NAS device. Worth the effort? You betcha...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Of course for something like that, it is definitely better (and much cheaper) to build your own. I did consider building one but only needed a two-bay NAS, and I rarely upgrade anything anyway, it hardly seemed worth building one.
You are partly to blame that I gave up making one, I remember you nearly sliced off your arm during the build... 
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That wasn't related to the NAS box.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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If you want something that just works with minimal need to elephant with it, are space constrained and need at most 4 disks of storage prebuild NASes are a great convenience option. For larger storage volumes you start to get elephanted on the price though because the pricing switches from assuming you're a consumer to a business who can be soaked since they only need to be cheaper than the hourly rate of their computer dude vs competing with geeks who can build their boxes for free. 
If you just want dumb file storage and basic media sharing any off the shelf nas should do, if you want to load a lot of stuff on it Synology and QNAP have the most capable software. Recent reviews put the formers software as more capable out of the box, but the laters x86 models are capable of running a full up VM on top of their native software making it easier to add whatever oddball software you want that's not in their app stores (afaik just user friendly skinned package managers).
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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As the Subject line may indicate, this is a message to @jorgen_andersson (and I never remember how to reference a ![Green Alien | [Alien]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/alien.gif) member).
How did your holidays go?
Was everything ok?
Did the fires affect you?
modified 18-Aug-16 4:01am.
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@jorgen_andersson should notify him now.
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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Thank you, that is without special signs (¨`´...) and without caps.
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Thanks for asking.
Everything was quite splendid except for a few details.
As you've already guessed: On the first day after arrival, while eating lunch on the patio, we saw this big cloud of smoke. It was a forest fire just a kilometer or two away. Luckily we weren't in the direction of the wind.
Another problem was that the house was pretty dark in colour and didn't have air condition. So we tried to sleep with the windows open.
It turns out I'm allergic to Spanish mosquitoes. I got large watering rashes varying between the size of my watch to beer coasters. 
We found a local Bodega that was very popular among the locals.
They didn't have a menu, the owner sat down with us telling us what he had in the fridge today, creating our meals through discussion. (Lot's of tapas obviously) We've seldom had so much and so good food for so little money ever before.
I'll make a better update later, have to get back to work now.
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