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Member 11683251 wrote: Basically their definition of democracy has shifted from being a system where you vote to being a set of values
One of the more astute observations I've seen lately.
Very good.
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Chris Maunder
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It works different from the republican system 
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There was talk of revolution from every side of the political spectrum.
no biggie.
I'd rather be phishing!
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On a more technical level, it seems like the Democrats won the Popular vote, but still lost the election. 
Would you mind explaining how democratic that is?
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We are a representative republic. The founders decided to create the Electoral College to do the actual election. Sorry that too many people live in certain states. She won those but there are only so many Electoral College votes for each state.
Same thing happened to Al Gore in 2000.
It's worked fine for 200 years. Democrats are just sore losers, highlighted by the fact that as of 10:06 AM EST, she STILL hasn't made a concession speech.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: Democrats are just sore losers
I seem to remember a certain quote from your President Elect on that matter 
So does the country as a whole still feel the college system is representative of the Will of the People?
Seems a little odd given the changes to each State's population over the years.
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Chris Maunder
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Nobody said he was a perfect candidate, and I agree with some of his points on how certain things structured to lean toward the liberal side.
We have a census every 10 years, to restructure the layout of the Congress. I live in a state that has gained a Representative over the years as populations have shifted. Personally, I think we might need a few more seats in the Congress but people way before me decided it had gotten big enough.
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We never claimed it was democratic. The US is a Republic.
In the US, by the constitution, we don't vote for president by popular vote. We vote by states. How the state votes is up to the people as defined by each state constitution. Each state is given 2 votes plus a number of votes proportional to its population. Most states have a winner takes all rule - which causes the greatest disparity between popular and electoral count. Some states, however, split the electoral vote (In Maine, Clinton got 3, Trump got 2).
It has worked for 240 years.
Brent
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At first glance this seems off for many of us Europeans but during the recent elections in the Us as I've gotten to learn more and more about your system I do think it actually works quite well.
Compare the EU which looks more and more like a federation and the US and you see that the US system is easier to understand. The Eu with its different bodies and how people are elected there seems like a complete mess in comparison.
The big difference I think is that you are a country with states and the EU is a union of countries. Since you are a country we tend to think that you should have a popular vote as we tend to have. You also often get to vote on specific topics on a state level and have more local elections.
The only big problem I think the Us have is that your system is a bit to rigid when it comes to potential third parties. The step up for them to get a say on a federal level is so high because your states winner take all approach. Compound that by the medias complete lack of attention to third parties and you have a system which will tend to breed Clintons.
So us Europeans should think of each state as a country and the federal government as the Union to be better able to compare and see that your system isn't so wrong after all.
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You hit the key point of this whole election.
They are no longer 'supporters' - they are 'followers'.
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Everyone (at least in North America) is talking about the events of last night so we're loosening up the rules for today only to allow respectful political discussion on these events.
Any abuse, anything that goes against the kid sister rule, anything even vaguely resembling hate speech, racial prejudice or anything just plain nasty will be deleted. Not moved, deleted.
Let's get this off our chest, but let's demonstrate that we can be grown up about it.
cheers
Chris Maunder
modified 10-Nov-16 9:42am.
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But some of our QA visitors do seem rather ... um ... thick as two bricks glued together?
Just been dealing with someone who seems to believe that if the MS code sample for a class (in this case PrintDocument) shows it used from a button click event handler then that's the only place you can use it.
It's not just me that thinks that's spectacularly dim, is it?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I have to say that everytime I see see functional code in an event handler, rather than calling out to a method, I distrust the author. Bad practice begets bad practice.
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: everytime I see see
Not DRY.
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The only dry for me is Dry Gin 
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I am very sure to have heard some dry sobs from you a few weeks ago when...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
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You'd die seeing our codebase.
Slowly fixing things though...
DURA LEX, SED LEX
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Maybe writes entire apps by cutting and pasting MS examples.
Are databases all called contoso? (I mean otherwise how could it work?)
Sin tack ear lol
Pressing the "Any" key may be continuate
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I hope that he/she binded the code to the click event of an ASP.NET button... 
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Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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You have to become more like me - develop your spirit animal, and let it answers questions for you.
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OriginalGriff wrote: thick as two bricks
Possibly, possibly not. But what you can say is that they really do not understand the first thing about programming. Cut and Paste rools, OK!
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Reminds me of the kid that got caught cheating on an assignment. The kid in front answered "I don't know" whereas this kid in back answered "I don't know either."
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Show them how to click the button programmatically.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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A couple of weeks ago, I submitted a console app as a working solution and got this:
Quote: Your Programme is ok. But I should do it in a windows forms application.
It made me wonder why I had put any effort into it at all!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I'm pretty sure most MS code samples could be only used in MS code samples. 
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