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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Call me crazy, but living my life doesn't depend on the reliability of any electronic device.
...but my career depends on them.
This being a software development site I'd say most of us (including you) must say the same.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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If a massive EMP struck every electronic device in the country, I would not shed a single tear. Also, my job doesn't rely on me having a tablet, or even a cell phone.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Look, all I'm saying is that the cheapest initial purchase price doesn't necessarily yield the best value over time.
Forget tablets and phones - do you buy cheap knock-off tools to work on your car? Do you buy the cheapest aftermarket parts to go in it - or do you buy quality?
Sheesh!
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Well, tablets/phones are designed to be obsoleted, so eventually, even if they don't actually fail, you are pushed/prodded/forced to "upgrade".
To cite your examples, that doesn't happen with hand tools. Parts are kind of out of context because we're dealing with tools when we talk about electronic devices.
Beyond that, device manufacturers actually count on peer pressure to get people to upgrade, while nobody really gives a damn which 1/2-inch wrench you used to tighten a bolt.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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What about a humongous solar flare?
Your landline (electronic exchange), TV, car will also be rendered useless too.
Everything's god chips these days, even your fridge will probably sh*t itself (power would be down anyway so wouldn't notice - time to eat all the ice cream and barbecue every steak therein), even a lot of portable generators rely on electronic dodads.
Pretty much every computer person would be out of work, like everybody else learning to drive horses, make fire out of wood, and eat squirrels' nuts and all. (apostrophe or comma?)
Sin tack ear lol
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Your career depends on an iToy?
Do much programming on it, then?
My Windows tablet (less than half the price of an iToy) runs VS, any version you like.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: iToy
Grow up. 
Mark_Wallace wrote: Do much programming on it, then?
Not sure what "it" you're referring to but if you mean my tablet - Nope, that's not it's job. The devices that my career depends on are "electronic devices" (like John said) as in industrial PC's, CNC controls, servo motors, I/O systems, etc... All of which require a very high build quality.
Mark_Wallace wrote: My Windows tablet (less than half the price of an iToy) runs VS, any version you like.
Good for you, I don't use any version of VS at all... 
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Grow up.
I call it like it is.
It's one step up from a children's "computer", and should not be revered the way it is.
If you're proud of using apple products, it isn't I who needs to grow up.
Mike Mullikin wrote: The devices that my career depends on are "electronic devices" (like John said) as in industrial PC's, CNC controls, servo motors, I/O systems, etc... All of which require a very high build quality
So, what, you have to communicate with terminal servers, through RS232/422/485?
How do you manage that with an iToy?
Is there even a terminal appie for it? I never bothered looking for one for my iToy 3, because the device was incapable of so much else that it was a waste of baggage space.
And cabling? How the Hell do you connect? How much does apple screw you for an serial dongle?
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It's not arrogance; it's my opinion. You state your opinions just as strongly.
Unless, of course, you're saying that I'm not entitled to an opinion.
Or maybe I should lie, or be the kind of w@nker who sucks up to everyone by saying what others want to hear, rather than what I think?
Sorry, but none of that washes, with me.
I will state what I think, i.e. that apple mobile devices are of no use to me, because they're just toys for people to browse the Internet, take photos, play games, and maybe -- just maybe -- be used to show work-related docs or web pages to others at work.
That's what they're designed for, and I dare say they do it very well -- but they're still just toys, by comparison to what I need.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: It's not arrogance; it's my opinion. You state your opinions just as strongly.
No I don't. Nor do most people that try to be civil on internet forums. If I acted like you I might have written something like...
"fAndroid devices are cheap plastic junk that won't last more than about a year - assuming of course that malware from sh*tty Chinese app sites doesn't corrupt that embarrassingly un-secure OS before then. They're built for bottom feeders that can't afford decent kit."
Mark_Wallace wrote: Unless, of course, you're saying that I'm not entitled to an opinion.Or maybe I should lie, or be the kind of w@nker who sucks up to everyone by saying what others want to hear, rather than what I think?
Good grief. I never even hinted at anything like that.
As for the rest of your statements... It's a safe statement that the VAST MAJORITY of ALL tablets (iOS, Android, Windows) are used by people to browse the Internet, take photos, play games and maybe show work related docs at work. Sheesh. Tablets (due to form factor, not OS) as a rule just aren't the right tool (yet) to do serious software development. Every dev I know uses a real desktop or laptop and isn't about to switch.
That being said I'm seeing more and more tablets (usually iPads to date) being used in retail POS, medical data logging and other work related functions. With server side apps and data synching tablets are a great choice.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mike Mullikin wrote: It's a safe statement that the VAST MAJORITY of ALL tablets (iOS, Android, Windows) are used by people to browse the Internet, take photos, play games and maybe show work related docs at work
Right, so what you're saying is that all mobile devices should be as functionless as the iToy, because that's all they're needed for.
Our needs, as professionals with jobs to do, don't matter.
I somewhat strongly disagree. I work comparative miracles with my android and windows tabs, and can do everything I need to do professionally with them.
The iToy is just a toy.
So stop getting all hoighty-toighty because you own a comparatively useless device (that all of us here could afford to buy multiples of, if they were of any use to us).
Get the one I mentioned earlier in this thread, and your opinion will change (not might change) incredibly rapidly.
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I give up.
Have a nice day.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mark_Wallace wrote: My Windows tablet (less than half the price of an iToy)
I'd love to hear about this tablet you bought with development-level hardware for less that $500... 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I posted a link earlier in the thread.
It's not the fastest at compiling, but you can code on a plane, for God's sake!
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Sure, but if he'd bought three, for the same price as an iToy, he'd still have two spares.
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Also, Android tablets can be expected to support standard mini USB charger slots, and head phone jacks for the foreseeable future.
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Except of course it was an Android device that first dropped the head phone jack (Motorola, I think) and most of the major Android phone players are likely dropping the head phone jack in coming models (if reports can be believed).
As for the standard mini-USB chargers... they are notoriously bad (easily damaged over time). I'm hoping that USB C helps but I'm not holding my breath.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Did you try a "hard reset"?
Power on volume key down.
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Open it up, remove the battery, leave it for 30 seconds, replace the battery, and try again. If that fails, it really is time for the recycling bin.
Cheers,
Mick
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It doesn't matter how often or hard you fall on your arse, eventually you'll roll over and land on your feet.
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So, reimage your Win 10 device with Linux and then use Linux to try to reset the device. 
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Although your solution appeals to me greatly, you can do the same by installing the Android SDK on Windows.
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You heretic!
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Ah, Glasshopper, the wise man learns of his enemies.
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But does OG?
I would mean no more Win 10 wining...
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