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MikeTheFid wrote: Change the one thing you can, you're attitude.
No need - I could/would jump ship if I didn't enjoy coding, especially with the small gestalt formed. As I noted in an earlier post, I could fart in their general direction*, and walk away.
MikeTheFid wrote: Think: "Today is a good day to die." (The Klingons stole that from indigenous North American warriors, btw!)
It may comfort you to know that I knew this was an American Indian quote. Attributions vary.
MikeTheFid wrote: Fear always accompanies a transition. Courage isn't the absence of fear, it's acting in the presence of it.
Hope for the best; expect the worst; and you'll never be disappointed. My thought have turned to what actions (bureaucratic) I should take to optimize my situation should the End of Days arrive. (E.g., a visit to SSA site as I need to know my substantial income years count; how much I'd get from unemployment insurance; which investments to liquidate first, and when, based upon income, should I need to dip in vs. IRA required withdrawal, and when, Etc).
And - as a grandfather, more time to remake the grand-kids in my image (snicker).
* From Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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I'd start looking for something new immediately. I left a company that was managed in the exact way that you are describing. I'm still friends with many of the developers and the madness continues with threats from upper management and consistent long hours to meet ever changing, unrealistic demands.
Pete McNamee
"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."
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You cannot stop clueless managers from being clueless. You and your whole company will, unfortunately, have to be content to be part of their education; that when you fire productive people, stuff stops getting done, and the clueless outsourced IT they purchase for more money than they paid you will not keep the lights on.
Five years from now, the new managers will be laughing off the failure of their last company with their ex-frat buddies, and going on to new things. But they probably won't make the same mistake again, sadly because there are so many fresh new mistakes they can make.
My advice, look for a new job, because you will inevitably be looking for a new job pretty soon, and it's great to get paid while you do it.
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As a manager I feel I would be committing career suicide if I had that attitude toward my staff. Any manager worth his salt knows they must work THROUGH the employee to get the task accomplished.
So these guys actually think if you miss the deadline THEY would be just as well off? They don't seem to understand now THEY are late if you don't succeed. That's some way of managing.
If all is as stated, I believe you have no real option but to take the abuse and accept that threat over your head (assume you are dead man walking) or find another job and use your notice period to take any PTO that won't be paid out.
During the exit interview, certainly thank that managers supervisor for giving you the motive that started you looking for a new job, and how well it all worked out. You're certainly going to tell all your former colleagues as well via LinkedIn how much the new company cares for its employees. All very polite and professional of course.
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You seem to have the gist of it. A few years ago, IT got new leadership, camaraderie was increased and product soared.
They seemed to have the look of fear in their eyes. I'm the wrong one to go to for any kind of deadline extraction as I supervise no one (and like it that way).
Those of us that are self-motivated will work to succeed - what they do and whenever they do it? A mystery.
A funny side benefit of doing ones job: one becomes ever more essential to the workings of the company. The more we did for the company the more they needed us. An offshoot of symbiosis, I suppose.
For me, it's end-game w.r.t. coding for others. I'll do it for me like I always did.
What preparation I am doing is grabbing whatever data I need, now, in case I loose access down the line.
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If you make it, it'll only postpone the execution for 6 months.
Don't kill yourself trying to achieve it, work as normal and start applying for jobs.
Don't quit (unless you find another job). Employers like you to be already employed when you apply as it shows that you are employ_able_. Someone who has been out for 6+ months might mean bad luck or it might mean that you're trouble, and you have to undercut your competition to be given a chance.
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I was once serious about a career in programming (been programming as a hobbyist since my early teens which was so far in the past I used assembly, BASIC and machine code) and took a few courses, including at degree level, to give me a boost up and bring me up-to-date. I even started applying for jobs and generally did well (getting to the final round on several occasions to fall down in the end due to some small gap in my knowledge and/or experience) but I quickly lost interest when I saw what was on offer, in particular the working conditions and the somewhat 'psychopathic' methods used for recruitment. However, I do code as a small but interesting part of my current job as a self-employed academic and I have no regrets about deciding against a programming career. Coding increases my current earning potential and job satisfaction. My point is: there are more ways to enjoy coding then a '24/7' job.
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My world, the opposite: Programming is just something I fell into because it was fun and it seems I've some degree of aptitude for it. With time, it blended in well with my then vocation. Circumstances were such that it was necessary to do it deliberately for money. That, by the way, is a true "Wooo-hoo!".
As far as it goes, I've all but continuously been paid to do stuff I love to do. So it will remain, and should my programming days here, conclude, then I might concentrate on photography - for which I never seem to have a fraction of the time I want - and will do as I did in the past; programming for fun (instead of profit), perhaps teaching (chemistry? coding? photography? some new-found fun?). Some time to exercise, as well.
And there's the book I wanted to write - who cares if it's ever published?
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You're supposed to publish the final version of Visual Studio 2017 today. It is already 7:30 on the East Coast and I cannot find it anywhere. Don't keep me in suspense. You won't like me if you keep me waiting! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Cornelius Henning wrote: You won't like me if you keep me waiting!
You're assuming we like you otherwise? 
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Like little ole me? Of course you do! What's not to like about me? (Don't answer that!)
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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12 minutes earlier I got an email to download it - it is still gets 404 
[UPDATE]
Tried MSDN download - not responding at all...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Also got that one ... thought it was a targeted phishing attack for few moments
modified 19-Nov-18 21:01pm.
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Thanks! I will just have to wait! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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In the meantime, VS 2015 still works. Or 2010 if you're at my office. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Or 6 if you're at mine
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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VB6? Ahh, I miss those days.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Pros:
+ it's lightning fast
+ it's the only one capable of running on our equipment (1 GB of RAM. In 2017)
Cons:
- Terrible space-eating interface, even on a 24" 16:9 screen it's barely enough. I like collapsible panels 
- Almost compliant to C++98. Say hello to all the new features.
- VB6 debugger sucks. If the debugged process crashes, the IDE crashes. And of course it doesn't save breakpoints anywhere so everytime it's a new start.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Does it not occur to the powers that be that an investment in newer machines would probably pay for improved productivity in a month?
Marc
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No, it doesn't. Nor it dawned on them that the resignations of core employees with 10 years of experience harms them. Neither they reach the conclusion that banning Internet access to developers is counterproductive.
Penny-pinching management instead of intelligent one. After all, in the now famous words of our CEO, we are "software labourers", not engineers or programmaers or developers.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Time to dust off your resume?
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Definetely. Add that the pay is extremely poor - exactly the pay of a laborer - and I have reason enough to GTFO. The trouble is that I learnt very little that is valuable out there since we use technology which is 20 years old.
The work itself is good, it's the pay that irks me the most. And I'm lucky, I'm not a technician: those are sent around the world without company issued credit card, without company issued phone and sim card and they have to anticipate the expenses that will be refunded a month later. With expenses that go up to 3000-5000 euros and the same or lower pay than mine it's idiotic.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Neither they reach the conclusion that banning Internet access to developers is counterproductive.
How can you develop code with no internet access? 
Anything more than Hello World & I'm straight onto Google.
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MSDN and then thought, thought, thought. It's mostly custom algorithms and hardware communication so there isn't much help on the internet nonetheless.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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