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Brent Jenkins wrote: There's no dancing around the fact that we have separate communities living within our countries.
Thst was already so when the Romans came.
Brent Jenkins wrote: Once upon a time, we had a safe, peaceful nation.
That must have been long before the Romans came. Didn't you even have a [^] who wanted to blow up the King along with the parliament?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Thst was already so when the Romans came.
Same old left-wing argument.. any excuse to dodge the issue at hand.
I guess a few more needless deaths are required to convince you, eh? Or perhaps you'll never be convinced, no matter what happens? 
Meanwhile, families like mine wait for something to be done.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Same old left-wing argument
Only that I'm not so left-winged.  When exactly was that time without crime, war or terrorism?
Let's take something different, like software piracy. All protection measures against it do more to annoy the honest customers and can easily be evaded by the real pirates. So what's the point?
So what do you want to do? Put cops at every corner and give them warrants to arrest everyone who does not look nice? Nobody would be any safer, but life would be a little more miserable for everyone. You know what? That's exactly the way the terrorists want to have it. They want you in fear and they want you to live under as miserable conditions as possible.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Let's take something different, like software piracy. All protection measures against it do more to annoy the honest customers and can easily be evaded by the real pirates. So what's the point?
You're joking surely? Children are dead! 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Even more a reason to do something effective. If that were so easy, don't you think that every single one of the policemen would not do it already? What do you expect from them? That they arrest the usual suspects?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I expect that in a week or so, it'll all be swept under the carpet the same as the last 100 times.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Well put.
I stream all my news - so I see the variations on how it's covered throughout the world.
The BBC, EuroNews, SkyNews. There's a common thread. They've taken sides. They've influenced the populous. Leave out a little here. Diminish with some justification there. It wasn't your restaurants having families blown up at a holiday meal. Those who did it must have a right to be angry about something. Right? Cheer them on a bit and they'll leave us alone.
So long as it wasn't happening your their back yard.
Now it is.
"Peace in our time" didn't work before - it won't work now.
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That's pretty much about it Brent. I don't have a ready-made-solution. However, here are some essential starting points.
- Identify the enemy as Islamism (i.e., Islamic totalitarianism), for which terrorism is one tactic.
- Proclaim the objective superiority, imperfect though it is, of Western liberalism.
Kevin
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How about taking effective action to stop these kind of people coming into the country in the first place?
How about enforcing the rule of law equally to everyone in the UK rather than allowing exceptions for this, blind eyes for that (Sharia court, FGM, knife carrying, human traficking, drug dealing, child marriages, wholesale grooming and rape of minors, forcing the country to eat halal meat, etc)?
FFS, this is Britain! Come here and live like us if you like, you're more than welcome. But don't come here, get a free house (on welfare), free health care (on welfare), free education (on welfare), free money (on welfare) and then protest and complain about everything and try and change us to be like the very place you left behind. 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Yep. Although re: the first sentence it's too late in that Islamist terrorists in the West are almost always home-grown rather than new arrivals. But it does yield the question: should we store up future problems? Hmm, perhaps not.
Kevin
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Kevin McFarlane wrote: Islamist terrorists in the West are almost always home-grown
The Manchester bomber was the son of Libyan asylum seekers. Perhaps there should be some kind of law that would hold up to 3 generations of immigrants responsible for their family's behaviour? Three strikes and deported perhaps?
We have enough home-grown problems of our own without taking in the world's lazy and/or criminal underclasses.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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The worst bit is that the ones who plan these, who brainwash people into carrying them out, who finance and equip them; they never get caught, they never get punished. They just move on to the next batch of brainwashees and plan another atrocity.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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At the risk of bordering on the SoapBox, those who send them were targeted directly by the Israelis. They were condemned by the international community for "assassinations". Now "everyone" send drones to do it and it's become OK. Funny how that works, but, once the leaders were turning up dead they scream and yell plenty.
So, perhaps I answer my own question, and cause my own refrain: those who profit from this, and they do, as it gives them profit in power and wealth - the world is better when they're not in it. So, they, they beat me - because I'd feed their loathsome carcasses to animals and video it for their followers to see. Even the low-level-drones; so the other drones can see what's in store for them. And they'll scream and yell and curse at our inhumanity . . . and then plant yet another bomb to kill families in restaurants or children at a rock concert.
And now I'm part of it. When will we ever learn?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: At the risk of bordering on the SoapBox, those who send them were targeted directly by the Israelis. They were condemned by the international community for "assassinations". Now "everyone" send drones to do it and it's become OK. Funny how that works, but, once the leaders were turning up dead they scream and yell plenty.
Indeed a subject for the soapbox. But to answer your question: That's politics. Dirty business must be done all the time. That's no problem. Someone getting caught in the act merely opens opportunities for others to get the upper hand in other messy business. Don't look for morals or any deeper logic.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Is it politics? Or perhaps, it's just business.
Or is there a difference?
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It's the underlying corrupt principle of most things that happen. The bad guys are not punished for what they did. When they get caught, they either are hanged by someone who needs to show the rest of the world what a great guy he is, or they are hanged by someone who has greatest interest in preventing them from saying too much. Usually that's called politics.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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"Quote: "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
Our time is coming.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Where should the answer be delivered?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Where should the answer be delivered?
Are you with UPS now? I don't trust guys in brown uniforms.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I was serious. OP says it should not go unanswered. Who should get the answer?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Who should get the answer?
That's the big problem of all this... You actually not only do not know, you CAN not know with enough certainty to actually deliver the answer... On a front line it is clear, but we are struggle in a 'war' with no frontiers...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I thought maybe the OP had an idea, but I agree with you.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Caslen wrote: Serious? In here?
Yes, I do make that mistake from time to time. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I have a list of people or countries to be nuked.
As a French, I'd of course start with UK 
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