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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I always dream of changing career to open-heart surgery. Shouldn't be too hard to find a forum that explains howto and where I can post questions when stuck
But fortunately for all of those that need such surgery the doctors are not in fact based solely on how they did in school. They must actually do the work under a trained surgeon for years.
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Yep. That's why I have boilerplate! 
We can't do it for them, it isn't fair: not on us, not on their classmates who have tried themselves, not on themselves in the long term because they never learn the right "mind set" to do the job - and that means unfair on the company and their coworkers when they eventually manage to lie their way into a job.
Got one today: I told him - politely - to use the debugger, and he starts SHOUTING at me, and getting increasingly desperate. Nope. Shout at me, I stop responding ... show me you are trying and I'll help to the best of my ability.
But I don't worry about the future: it's seen as a low-effort, high pay career that anyone who can use an iPhone and Google can cope with. So the morons flock in in their droves and the good ones get hidden in the noise.
But they are there. And they will shine, possibly all the more brightly in comparison to the "non-diamonds" they are buried under ... it'll just take some time, is all. Until then, repeat after me "We do not do your homework: it is set for a reason. It is there so that you think about what you have been told, and ... "
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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And the dull ones will become managers. 
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Wonderfully good analysis ...
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If I have the time do nut it out, I give them the most complex answer I can, and hope that the instructor recognizes that there's no way in hell a newb could come up with that kind of code.
In the end, I'm just in it for the rep points.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Off topic, but I can't help but be amused by that smiley face in your post, wondering if it's the same smiley face as on the stock of your Street-Sweeper[^]?
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I had no idea that even existed. But then again, I'm not a fan of guns in general, so...
However, I am skilled in their use, and can field strip/clean pretty much any firearm you might hand me.
Why do y'all persist in steering so many discussions towards firearms?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Why do y'all persist in steering so many discussions towards firearms?
You auditioned for the role for years; and, you got it, and, now, the role has you.
cheers, Bill
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010-----You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010-----When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
Other than that - who'd guessed ?
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But y'all are the ones that steer conversations that way. I merely react to external stimuli. My sig has nothing at all to do with whatever conversation is in progress.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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> Something's got to give . . .
JavaScript..
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Yeah, blame the language. I have almost never seen prototypical inheritance on third party JavaScript code. Some people even claim it is not OOP, language.
JavaScript and PHP reputation is what spoon reputation would be if people tried to eat soup with the handle.
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All it does is make the good developers stand out.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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No - what will happen is what always happens. They'll be promoted to management since they can't actually do the job.
Vice Presidencies for Everyone . . . so no one feels sad and left out . . . wheeeeeeeee!
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W∴ Balboos wrote: They'll be promoted to management since they can't actually do the job.
Ahhh, the Dilbert Principle.  
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Something's got to give . . .
That's were AI's step in. First, the AI "learns" by scanning all SO posts. When it has questions, it posts a question on SO for us unsuspecting humans to answer. Eventually, the AI spawns itself. When enough spawning has happened, the AI's start to answer their own questions. Eventually they create "schools" (basically gigaquads of training) and even provide grades and certificates, because every AI learns differently, and some don't learn at all. Some however do learn that they can get by with having other AI's do their homework for them. And so the death spiral continues... 
Latest Article - Contextual Data Explorer
Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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I like this very much, Marc !
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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We call that job security - for us. Not so much for them.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do.
I am rather certain that there are no graduates from a regular university that know how to program in a professional environment based only on their course work. If they didn't have a job while in school then they will not know how to do it. Doesn't matter how they got the answer.
W∴ Balboos wrote: All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing.
Not sure how you work but I spend a lot of time googling for answers to coding questions. I needed to do some mocks just yesterday and only succeeded because I found a class written by someone else in the code base and because I googled for the rest of my questions. Matter of fact the last time I did mocks I was using my own code (previously written using yet other examples and google) in the same way.
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Give them an answer that looks right. 
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Interesting and likely could come true. It struck me that. . .
If you substitute
-the wealth for the clueless developer and
-the redistribution of wealth from the producers/earners to the subset of welfare recipients who don't really need help,
-you get collapse of a certain economy similar to the death spiral you stated.
. ..interesting how the logic holds across both scenarios.
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Soapbox -
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Ahh, yes, my bad. I don't post much here or the soapbox so forget about that forum. Thanks, sorry all.
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Software is complicated, and a lot of the complications are not covered in coursework. I've been developing software for over 20 years on all sorts of platforms, and still often search for some expert in a particular area who has the answer to a non-obvious intricacy.
My latest is wondering whether it was possible to execute a stored procedure from within another stored procedure and retrieve the results in one of the output parameters. I had never gotten that to work, so had avoided doing it for years, but got to a situation where I really needed it. None of my coursework covered such a situation, and I never would have guessed that you have to specify the keyword "output" next to the parameter when calling the procedure. You would think, as in most other languages, that specifying "output" in the definition of the called procedure would be good enough.
Occasionally, I'll post an answer myself. Don't knock computer science majors who ask for help.
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I'm knocking the lazy-do-nothings that don't even try to look it up. Or try to do anything. They want the answer given to them.
Perhaps you've not gone to Q&A to see what a non-trivial segment of them post.
As for me - I friggin' looked up everything, being one of the considerable segment of the developer population who are self-taught. I (and they) did it because we loved it. Were fascinated. Intrigued. We wanted to learn.
These others? Just looking for a job. No inspiration. No desire for knowledge. Hoping to get by an entire life living on intellectual handouts.
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