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W∴ Balboos wrote: They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do.
I am rather certain that there are no graduates from a regular university that know how to program in a professional environment based only on their course work. If they didn't have a job while in school then they will not know how to do it. Doesn't matter how they got the answer.
W∴ Balboos wrote: All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing.
Not sure how you work but I spend a lot of time googling for answers to coding questions. I needed to do some mocks just yesterday and only succeeded because I found a class written by someone else in the code base and because I googled for the rest of my questions. Matter of fact the last time I did mocks I was using my own code (previously written using yet other examples and google) in the same way.
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Give them an answer that looks right. 
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Interesting and likely could come true. It struck me that. . .
If you substitute
-the wealth for the clueless developer and
-the redistribution of wealth from the producers/earners to the subset of welfare recipients who don't really need help,
-you get collapse of a certain economy similar to the death spiral you stated.
. ..interesting how the logic holds across both scenarios.
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Soapbox -
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Ahh, yes, my bad. I don't post much here or the soapbox so forget about that forum. Thanks, sorry all.
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Software is complicated, and a lot of the complications are not covered in coursework. I've been developing software for over 20 years on all sorts of platforms, and still often search for some expert in a particular area who has the answer to a non-obvious intricacy.
My latest is wondering whether it was possible to execute a stored procedure from within another stored procedure and retrieve the results in one of the output parameters. I had never gotten that to work, so had avoided doing it for years, but got to a situation where I really needed it. None of my coursework covered such a situation, and I never would have guessed that you have to specify the keyword "output" next to the parameter when calling the procedure. You would think, as in most other languages, that specifying "output" in the definition of the called procedure would be good enough.
Occasionally, I'll post an answer myself. Don't knock computer science majors who ask for help.
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I'm knocking the lazy-do-nothings that don't even try to look it up. Or try to do anything. They want the answer given to them.
Perhaps you've not gone to Q&A to see what a non-trivial segment of them post.
As for me - I friggin' looked up everything, being one of the considerable segment of the developer population who are self-taught. I (and they) did it because we loved it. Were fascinated. Intrigued. We wanted to learn.
These others? Just looking for a job. No inspiration. No desire for knowledge. Hoping to get by an entire life living on intellectual handouts.
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Sure: but they're all chasing WordPress sites.
If you check the freelance sites, as the amount of detail in a job posting increases, the level of interest decreases.
Ask applicants to quote a particular item from the post, they'll miss that too and further disqualify themselves (i.e. "form" cover letters).
And of course, they all have Master's degrees.
The employer only has themselves to blame; who is bottom-feeding in this case anyway.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: If you check the freelance sites, as the amount of detail in a job posting increases, the level of interest decreases.
Yes - by definition. Is there a point to stating the obvious? That being (restating the obvious) that as more detail is given fewer consider themselves qualified.
I'm afraid I can't say how to fix this - one field after another gets overstuffed with underqualifed candidates. The go into the field because the hear the prospects are good. They would be better off going into a field because they like it.
Doing something you like; something you're good at? That's the way to earn a living. Beats working for a living any time
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Postmodern Jukebox - Creep (Radiohead Cover)[^]
Pretty sure someone posted Vintage Jukebox on here last week.
Since then this channel has been on my speakers.
Vintage covers of songs by Radiohead (obviously), Soundgarden, Blink-182, The White Stripes, Metallica, and much more.
They're all great, but I had to pick one for the SOTW 
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Nothing like a striking woman singing her ass off. 
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Slacker007 wrote: Nothing like [...]
Well, maybe striking a woman on her ass and getting it off
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sounds good ... a nice distraction from my "metal" preferences ... 
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If you like Postmodern Jukebox, check out Puddles Pity Party - he does a great version of Royals.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I've seen them on the same channel, not sure if he's the sad clown or not.
Good stuff nonetheless
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I got into the elevator this morning with half a dozen young soldiers, myself entering last.
They were all leaning against the sides of the elevator, having playful arguments about not giving enough "leaning room" to someone else.
I said, "Ya know, my father always told me that leaning is for the crippled and the lazy."
One responded, "What are you trying to say?"
I came back with, "None of y'all appear to be crippled."
As I said it, I made eye contact with each one. To a man, they all stopped leaning and stood up straight.
I enjoy having a positive impact on today's youth.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I would've sat down, with a big fat grin
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Are you like 6 year's old? 
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If I was, I'd ask him to pull my finger first
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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No, that is for grandpa to say to the 6 year old. Your only job at 6 year's old is to laugh at old people farting.
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Most Sergeants Major will also have those individuals painting rocks for a week if they see it.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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Glad you survived that 
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Actually, I'll bet he instigated the problem intentionally, so that he could finally put into practice his 2nd Amendment rights and protect himself from a tyrannical government.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Military installations are gun-free zones. How's that for irony?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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