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None of them seem to maintain any visible means of support.
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Well, I can't say I saw that coming. Clearly, though, if one of the parents has a gender change, that would be the transparent.
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Well, if there was something to see, you would most likely be able to observe from the point of conception onward. A whole life lived in the light of day...
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No wonder they say love is blind.
/ravi
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Probably - but it wouldn't cast a shadow on the whole family now would it?
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended.
I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended.
Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like.
Dave
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In response to this post a couple down:
We fall in love lust with the outer appearances of some newfangled technology.
We have a great time with all the new experiences and cool things we do together.
We sprint into a committed relationship.
Then we start to spend "resources" (time and money) on dependencies, tool upgrades, etc.
Any formal training is either non-existent or too expensive.
We start to formalize procedures and policies.
Then we get completely married to the technology even though we are starting to have doubts.
Child applications show up and the software gets more complicated and interdependent.
Soon after, we meet some new technology and have an affair.
Next, we're heading to divorce court.
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Glad I stuck with C
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Are in-laws the scrum masters in this analogy? 
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Divorce lawyers.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Eric Lynch wrote: Are in-laws
I'd rather have in-laws. Mine are more like out-laws.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Marc Clifton wrote: n response to this post a couple down:
We fall in love lust with the outer appearances of some newfangled technology.
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Often it's worse, as in:
WeSales/Marketing falls in love lust with the outer appearances of some newfangled technology and arranges the marriage to us...
and when the next new thing comes along, they marry that to us as well.
(yes, polygamy - sales/marketing subscribes to the l.ron.hubbard/mormon version of 'the art of war', suits and all.)
and just when you think they've forgotten one of your earlier partners, they remind us that were still married to it. nothing is forgotten, nothing is off-limits (except independent thought).
This internet thing is amazing! Letting people use it: worst idea ever!
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Work is screwing around with technology ... meh that's too much fun to be true.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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| Sometimes, members of management need to be re-educated in what the in-house IT does for them. Depending upon what you do (or where I am, the two of us do) you could be in the position of saying:
'At this moment in time, your entire operation depends upon my good will to keep things running."
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You can't catch rabbits with unwilling dogs. That hunt will always fail
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Is it good will, or are you paid for it?
modified 13-Sep-18 21:01pm.
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Thaddeus Jones wrote: Is it good will, or are you paid for it?
Given that there's at least the possibility of changing jobs (or even careers), I'd say it's a mix of both.
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Good point
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Not the direction I was coming from -
It's that some of them, for a short while, thought it would be best to get rid of IT and use outside contractors. Someone, in the background, reawakened them to the facts that not only does our stuff work better, but we're more responsive to changes. And they have their face in our stuff almost all day long, keeping the company running.
It's like the the old Chinese fable about the body rebelling against the stomach because they didn't think it contributed to the person - so they stopped feeding it . . . .
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Yup - we need to invent a word to use when one gets an (like your previous employer) epiphany just a bit too late.
Oh. Wait. There is one. Regret. - I wonder if the bean-counters are still employed?
One of the few real ego boosts in my life: my previous employer let me go, thinking they could do better with a 'real professional'. And then another one after they replaced him. And another one. Then, I heard that they now had to hire two people to replace me. And for all that, all they did was put a new face on the software I built. Four year later.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Yup - we need to invent a word to use when one gets an (like your previous employer) epiphany just a bit too late.
Oh. Wait. There is one. Regret. - I wonder if the bean-counters are still employed?
Better yet - schadenfreude
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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One of my longtime customers is about to lose their DBA/IT guy due to retirement and figured the answer was to move a few of their LOB applications to the cloud. The POS got moved almost a year ago and while it works fine on it's own, there are major problems with the data flowing in/out of it. I just spoke with their bookkeeper who will be working yet another Saturday trying to get caught up.
Yes, they succeeded in reducing their local IT workload, but now they've lost control of the data/databases to a software vendor that hasn't been able to correct a few missing/incorrect fields in reports/exports in almost 10 months since it was reported.  (i'm sure they're an agile shop, so of course custom reports are likely at the bottom of a todo list)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Sometimes, members of management need to be re-educated
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