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There is also the opposite side of it: Without Jobs, Woz likely would have stayed working as a board designer at HP. I suspect it was the combination of Jobs / Wozniak (not to mention the other folks involved) that really made Apple work in the early days.
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This has proven to be the case many times. Two or more people together can have a synergy that could not be matched if they were acting independently.
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Rick York wrote: Two or more people together can have a synergy that could not be matched if they were acting independently.
This is why I talk to myself. It helps me resolve issues when I get stuck. 
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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raddevus wrote: If Gates had not convinced Apple to bring Jobs back...
Ummm... I don't recall ever hearing that one. I know Apple CEO Gil Amelio bought Next which brought Jobs back into the fold. I know Jobs maneuvered to get Amelio fired (he resigned before it happened). I know Jobs and Gates "made up" enough that Microsoft temporarily invested in Apple - basically keeping them afloat.
But I never heard that Gates had anything to do with Apple buying Next or bringing back Jobs.
EDIT: According to this Gates tried to talk Amelio out of buying Next because of Jobs.
The love-hate relationship between Bill Gates and Steve Jobs - Business Insider[^]
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I thought Wozniak was more humble than that and actually smarter. Any tech company in the world would have loved to have Jobs to evangalise their product. That was his success - his failures are quite irrelevant except for the fact he did not give up. The world is full of brilliant engineers wondering why their door is not being beaten down in the rush to buy their new gadget.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 12-Jul-18 21:04pm.
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Oh, you are definitely correct.
Marketing is far more powerful than creation. People buy popular garbage at a far greater rate than unknown great stuff. And, no, I'm not saying Apple stuff is garbage just because it is popular.
I'm only saying that marketing is far more powerful than development of any product.
What does humility have to do with this anyways? Jobs wasn't humble and you are saying he was a great marketer / businessman and everyone wanted him, so why would Woz have to be humble?
The point is that Jobs had millions of dollars for multiple projects and could only succeed with one.
And was it really him that had succeeded? Questionable.
The ipod was already being worked on and the iMac was completely done before he rejoined in '97 and those were the two projects that put Apple back on the map.
Also, if you worked directly with Jobs you'd probably feel different about him.
For example, have you read Andy Hertzfeld's great book,
Revolution in The Valley : The Insanely Great Story of How the Mac Was Made[^]
You'll read about how Jobs literally made Andy cry.
Probably anyone with the amount of money that Jobs had backing him and the ultimate power he had would have to succeed at some point. That's why the story of Jobs himself is really all just marketing glitter. And that's fine too. That's how it works in business. If you get the attention then people send their money.
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Humility is required when a claim is made about a person who cannot reply particularly if you are appropriating their achievements. Whether Jobs or Wozniak are/were nice guys is another matter.
I am no great fan of Jobs but he is a good example of why the US in particular is so good at commercialising new technology (this does not have to make me a fan of the US either). It in my opinion goes way beyond marketing.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Yeah, after learning how Jobs actually TREATED PEOPLE...
I lost all respect for him.
He would lie to anybody to get ahead. He lied to Woz about the bonus they would get for Atari, and kept most of it, but split the LIE portion with Woz. I've worked for someone like that ONCE. He called me long after, I told him if I was dying in the street I wouldn't work for him to save my life!
Next, his daughter. HIS OWN DAUGHTER. What a self-interested, egotistical SALESMAN. And yep, he knew how to buy low and sell how, I believe that's how he acquired Pixar... (The seller was going through a divorce, I beleive).
And I used one of his NEXT Machines. Cool on the inside/outside. Slow as heck, and that dang Writable CD was a great idea UNTIL you used it. It was slow. And you often forgot you CD in the lab in a computer for someone else to steal. Nice...
But I will give him this credit. He had a flare for FEEL. Making a product that FEELS right. that FEELS simple. That FEELS special. And he had an interesting process for getting people to get things done...
But in my world. Rule #1 is: It's about People!
When you treat them badly... I am not interested you. You are a bad example. Being STERN is one thing, abandoning your daughter, and her mother because you wont be responsible for your actions... That just creates dysfunction...
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He seems to have left a fair bit of bad karma which may be a lesson to us all.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I need someone to create some icons for me. To start I need Standard toolbar icons. More will follow.
Can anyone recommend someone?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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For standard toolbar icons, you might want to check out these folks https://icons8.com/. They're free as long as you include proper attribution.
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Already there. I downloaded (Saved As) a bunch of icons and they look really strange in a WPF window. The backgrounds are transparent which looks ok, the foreground colors are all pixilated.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Hmm...strange, they've worked fine for me in WinForm apps before. Can't recall if I used them for WPF. I'd play with the XAML a little bit. Maybe you have a size mismatch and the pixelation comes from stretching/squeezing the images?
To be clear, not claiming they'll win any art show awards  , but I wasn't seeing any pixelation in the ones I used.
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I have used Iconion[^] to build my own in the past. The icons that come with it are rather amateurish, but I remember the tools working with VS and Paint well enough.
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You can also try Syncfusion Studio 5. It's free and has a huge library of free to use icons, which you can modify yourself. We use it to create the new look and feel for our older software.
Syncfusion Metro Studio 5
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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I actually just downloaded it before I posted.
I loaded it up and searched for "Bold" and got a bold icon. Now I have to set the background to transparent and the foreground to whatever light blue.
Doesn't seem like a lot of work - but it's still some work. I guess it's cheaper than paying someone.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Shame they require you to "subscribe to promotional emails" before you can download.
From what I've read, that's probably illegal under GDPR. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I think this is a better link: [^]
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Just how graphic are we talkin' here?
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