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I was looking for an email address and hit various sites. One of them, ripoff report, had the following across the top of the page:
Quote: NOTICE! Those consumers located in the European Union, effective 5/24/2018 due to the GDPR, citizens of any GDPR applicable country or anyone sitting in, or operating from, such country are prohibited from using this site. Read our Terms of Service to learn more. By using our site you understand and agree to these terms. Don't blame us... blame Europe! This site uses cookies to store information on your computer which may track your browsing behavior on our site and provide you with ads or other offers that may be relevant to you. Some are essential to make our site work; others help us improve the user experience. Read our Privacy Policy to learn more.
There are two ways to handle the EU's GDPR laws. One is to comply. The other, above, is a very valid alternative. (note: bold face in quote is mine)
Giving it some thought, I think I'd do the same for my websites that could possibly fall under the EU's jackboots.
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As a consumer I'm very much in favor of the GDPR.
If I do not wish to use a website anymore and I want to delete my account, for whatever reason, I want to be able to do that.
I'm also not very fond of companies selling whatever info they have of me to other companies that I have no knowledge of.
Etc. Etc. You've probably heard all of this before.
As a developer I also understand that this is very difficult to implement in existing systems.
In fact, I'm currently implementing it in a new and small application that I'm building and it's already a PITA (like, I need to be able to delete customers, but I want to keep their orders and some other data for reporting).
If you're not implementing this from the start you're in for a lot of hard work.
And I do understand that a lot of companies that have little or no business in Europe choose not to implement it.
It's a little ridiculous that Europeans are now excluded from many services that are not located in Europe though.
If non-European companies get excused from the rule everyone will move overseas though, so I get that too.
I hope GDPR is a worldwide future so no one is left out and everyone has their data at least a little bit protected.
It may not be perfect, but at least steps are made.
Your web and privacy laws pretty much come from a time where the web didn't even exist 
I absolutely detest the "we use cookies" warning though 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I absolutely detest the "we use cookies" warning though
Once is OK and possibly needed, but those that show it every time are simply proving that they aren't capable.
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Which shows they haven't bothered at all.
How many nags about cookies and GDPR have you recieved from Codeproject? One extra right?
That's because Chris actually found out what it all was about. And however much extra work it is for the developers, it's all about things you would want the companies you're dealing with to have control over in any case.
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You get one for every time you clean out the cookies in your PC.
One way to reduce the amount of spying on you is to delete all cookies every Sunday night (at least). So you start every week with a "We use cookies" from every website you visit. After a few weeks, it becomes a habit to click that OK button without worrying about it at all.
If you want to be even more safe, delete all cookies after you've been visiting FB or any Google service or similar. And don't log in on any site until you have to. When you log in, they don't need the cookies to track your activities, and deleting the cookies doesn't delete the info that those sites store about you. Note that sometimes, it isn't enough to log out from the website to return to anonymous state: They may keep their eyes on you even if you don't have access to their services. You have to log out from the web site, delete all cookies and other info that web pages store on you machine, quit the browser and log out or restart your PC. (In other words: Visit FB at the end of the day, not in the morning.)
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Member 7989122 wrote: You get one for every time you clean out the cookies in your PC.
Which in my case is everytime I close the browser... (ESR version and Domain politics, no changeably for me) 
Member 7989122 wrote: After a few weeks, it becomes a habit to click that OK button without worrying about it at all.
Which can be a bigger danger than the cookie itself, if you don't pay attention to which "OK" you click, because you "automated" it
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: Which can be a bigger danger than the cookie itself, if you don't pay attention to which "OK" you click, because you "automated" it
I never log in to any web site before I have to - I accept the reduced service level of not being logged in (such as web newspaper articles being available ony by heading/teaser).
Similarly, I do not OK cookies until I "have to". If I get what I want without accepting the cookies, I'm fine with a banner, usually atthe bottom of the window telling me to click OK. It reduces the usable part of the window a little bit, but that's usually OK.
Several times, when web sites force me to create an account or accept cookies before giving me enough of a teaser to reveal if they have anything to offer that I want, I don't trust them, press the 'Back' button and forget about that site. I very rarely "have to" visit an unknown web site.
So those that I OK are usually well known web sites (like CP or Google or web shops I use regularly). I do not OK by routine. But then again, I have not made myself dependent on e.g. asocial media and dozens of mobile apps. I can mostly do with old style solutions that are less suspectible to monitoring.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I need to be able to delete customers, but I want to keep their orders and some other data for reporting
If you've got financial transactions, you have a legitimate need to keep the customer's data for whatever retention period you've declared in your policies. In the UK, that would typically be seven years.
Once that period is up, you no longer need the orders or financial transactions, so they can be deleted. At that point, you can delete the rest of the customer's data if they've requested it.
There's also an argument to be made for automatically deleting the customer's data if they haven't done any business with you in the last seven years.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Hold up, this is some good info!
I don't have financial transactions yet, but what you're saying is that when I implement PayPal I am obligated to keep someone's data for x years?
Of course the transactions are already stored by PayPal and the bank too... All I need to know is "did this person pay?"
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In the UK, if you've sold something to a customer, you have to keep their data for seven years, in case HMRC decide to audit you. You need to be able to produce the last seven years of financial transactions on demand, to make sure you're not fiddling your taxes.
You could probably delete some customer data before that - application logins, etc. - but you need to keep their name, address, contact details, VAT registration details, etc. for auditing purposes.
Obviously, if there's any doubt, you should consult a wallet-sucking leech lawyer for proper advice.
If you've got a Pluralsight subscription, Troy Hunt (@User-993886) has recently published a GDPR course there:
The State of GDPR: Common Questions and Misperceptions | Pluralsight[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Thanks, going to check out that Pluralsight course
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If you have a business requirement for keeping someone's data then even if they tell you to delete you do not have to delete it to comply with GDPR.
You just need to show evidence that the data you are holding is required for the functioning of the business.
So.
Customer orders goods, pays for them, has them delivered.
Customer then leaves a review on your site praising the great goods he has ordered.
You save the customers details required for processing the order and the review in your data store.
Customer decided to raise a GDPR request saying he wants all his data deleted.
You delete the review, as it is not required for any business reason.
You do not have to delete his order or delivery details as these details are required for the operation of the business in cases where there might be a query or as required for auditing purposes.
Such is my understanding of GDPR after reading about it a lot.
We deal with medical information within the EU and US so we get to play with GDPR, HIPAA, NHS and a whole load of other 3-5LAs that all want things done differently.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: EU's jackboots
To liken the EU ti Nazi Germany is a childish and very insulting remark.
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Towards whom, I can't help but wonder...
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The author and EU, in that order.
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That figurative behavior is what brought you Brexit.
Less figurative, it's the continuous Brussels-driven Anschluss of the entire continent.
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No, Britain just doesnt want a federal europe.
Nothing to do with Nazism.
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Somehow, you manage to miss so many points implied in the posts.
The Russian army, by the way, goose-steps. A bunch of the Arab armies do, too. I suppose I could have used the goose-stepper analogy, instead - but WTF? There's a point being made - and in the fullness of time you may even get it.
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When patronising sarcasm constitutes a valid argument you might have a point.
Your use of the pejorative word, jackboots, was to liken the EU to the Nazis.
That is childish and insulting.
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It is preoperative - absolute - and as intended.
It is symbolic of authoritarianism - and as intended.
Now, further patronizing (or awaiting labeling as such):
Nazism is a subset of authoritarianism - not the other way around.
The image you should grab on to is merciless outreach to force all into their self-proclaimed 'better' way of life. With all the right-wing groups winning in elections throughout the EU and/or making serious headway (re: Marine Le Penn and Co.), maybe your original view is just more forward looking than mine!
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W∴ Balboos wrote: It is symbolic of authoritarianism - and as intended.
So the Catholic church wears jackboots too then?
They are authoritative, after all.
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Interesting you'd pick the Catholic Church.
So many other authoritarian religions to choose from! Although the scope of the Catholic church is huge, the practice (implicitly, damnation of some sort for disobedience) is practiced on the local level by the lot of them.
Well - you're welcome to choose your own symbols.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: nteresting you'd pick the Catholic Church.
Deflection!
Jackboots are a symbol of Nazism, you used it as a slur on the EU, which is childish and insulting.
Admit it.
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