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The kids are trying to get an education here, because the teachers aren't providing. Blocking one of the few places where they can get ACTUAL help and where people take time to explain (looking at you Griff!) will make things worse.
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No one said nothing about blocking the site.
Nobody said a thing about students coming here to learn.
The full point is about lazy / incompetent students coming here to get their homework done and responsibility of those "bad" teachers.
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Nelek wrote: Nobody said a thing about students coming here to learn.
Griff wrote: ... to start a campaign to get IT teachers to sign up to CP, and send some time hanging around in QA answering their own homework questions?
Nelek wrote: The full point is about lazy / incompetent students coming here to get their homework done and responsibility of those "bad" teachers.
You are blaming the students for being lazy; coming to a forum where you get burned down and trying to find an answer is not lazy in my book. Still there are a lot of homework-related questions on the forum (I never visit Q&A) where the student has not been explained what System.IO does, and has some kind of task or homework that includes just that.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: (I never visit Q&A)
You would find things like:
Enquirer wrote: Hi
Is there a method or a code that allows me to control my dialog (GUI) in VC6 instead of mouse
What I have tried: (CP Text, not user text)
I have not tried anything yet.
or....
Enquirer wrote: Need to Disable share option in online word document
What I have tried: (CP Text, not user text)
i researched lot of sites.
but nothing i am getting.
any one give me the solution.
or...
Enquirer wrote: Describe how you would build an asp.net core page with multiple partial views? How would you optimize the performance? Provide a code sample illustrating how you could do this from both the client and server side.
Describe your experience with Azure? Why should I use DocumentDB services over RDBMS, and why shouldn't I? How would you go about developing an asp.net core WebApi Controller to interact with DocumentDb?
Describe in detail your experience with Bootstrap, HTML5, and CSS3, TypeScript, KnockOut, Asp.net Core MVC - please provide some sites that highlight that experience.
Include a code sample that shows how you would connect to a restful service in an asp.net MVC application (from the controller).
What I have tried: (CP Text, not user text)
Describe how you would build an asp.net core page with multiple partial views? How would you optimize the performance? Provide a code sample illustrating how you could do this from both the client and server side.
Describe your experience with Azure? Why should I use DocumentDB services over RDBMS, and why shouldn't I? How would you go about developing an asp.net core WebApi Controller to interact with DocumentDb?
And this is what I mean, that has nothing to do with the education or the quality of the teacher..
Believe me when I say, that there are even more drastic examples every day
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First two don't even look like they were from students.
Nelek wrote: And this is what I mean, that has nothing to do with the education or the quality of the teacher..
The examples have nothing to do with homework.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The examples have nothing to do with homework.
If you spent more time in QA you would realise that they are homework. And the following comments between OP and CodeProject member usually confirm that pretty quickly.
Here is another typical example:
Quote: A number (N) of lines (extending to infinity) in both directions are drawn on a plane. The lines are specified by the angle (positive or negative) made with the x axis (in degrees). It may be assumed that the different lines are not coincident (they do not overlap each other). The objective is to determine the number of parallelograms in the plane formed by these lines.
If the lines are given with an angle of 10, 70, 30 and 30, the figure looks like this
com.tcs.cv.automata.ei.middleware.DocxToHtmlConverter@a4ad7b:image1.png
L1 is at 10 degrees to the x axis, L2 is at 70 degrees to the x axis, L3 and L4 are at 30 degrees to the x axis. It can be seen that there are no parallelograms formed by these lines
What I have tried:
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The latter is obvious, but the previous ones hardly. What school teaches VC6? What student has "Need to Disable share option in online word document" as a programming assignment?
There's a lot of them that are already in a workforce, and still asking for code, sometimes not even being able to answer whether code would actually solve anything.
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Yes but this discussion is about students posting their homework as questions.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: Yes but this discussion is about students posting their homework as questions.
Then please stop doing as if every lazy idiot who copies his task into Q&A is a student 
It was also on whether we should collaborate with the teachers, to have the "cheaters" being caught.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Then please stop doing as if every lazy idiot who copies his task into Q&A is a student
I can give you that those examples were not the best ones.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: It was also on whether we should collaborate with the teachers, to have the "cheaters" being caught.
Yes... until you hi-jacked it 
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The kids are trying to get an education here, because the teachers aren't providing. Blocking one of the few places where they can get ACTUAL help and where people take time to explain (looking at you Griff!) will make things worse.
Maybe, but
enrolling in programming courses because "you want to become a programmer" really isn't a particularly good filter. No more than enrolling in a music class will make you a millionaire rock musician (or avoiding them for rap); no more than enrolling in a gym class will make one an Olympic contender.
Want to and able to, having no true cause-and-effect relationship (in either direction) is where the problem lies. Where I work, one of the employees went to classes to become a makeup artist. On a good day she looks like a geisha who applied her makeup with boxing gloves.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: enrolling in programming courses because "you want to become a programmer" really isn't a particularly good filter. No more than enrolling in a music class will make you a millionaire rock musician (or avoiding them for rap); no more than enrolling in a gym class will make one an Olympic contender.
A teacher is not paid to filter, but to educate. Not to create the best, but to transfer the basics.
I understand the confusion, as most educational institute seem to be only filtering, not educating.
W∴ Balboos wrote: Want to and able to, having no true cause-and-effect relationship (in either direction) is where the problem lies. Where I work, one of the employees went to classes to become a makeup artist. On a good day she looks like a geisha who applied her makeup with boxing gloves.
Tell her to find someone who can transfer basic knowledge. She might not be talented enough to use make up to look like something from the "Alien" movies, but that ain't the goal. Something like applying a foundation is not a complex science.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I understand the confusion, as most educational institute seem to be only filtering, not educating.
I observe precisely the opposite. Starting with ethnically motivated enrollment quotas (an un-filter is better description) and then an array of micky-mouse courses to impart that feel-good aura. Finally, out in the job market where new hiring quotas cause relevant filtering (competence) to be avoided an prevent (even if unjustified) costly legal entanglements.Eddy Vluggen wrote: Tell her . . . Something like applying a foundation is not a complex science.
Well, aside from stealing her money by teaching beyond her capabilities, we can revisit the programming analogy. Learning to post on Farcebook doesn't make one computer savvy. Giving a diploma and telling someone they are is not at all helpful to them.
There's an implicit promise when teaching a curriculum: that the knowledge will be transferred in a usable manner - not just transferred.
Users vs. Builders. I can't be everything - and neither can anybody else.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I observe precisely the opposite. Starting with ethnically motivated enrollment quotas (an un-filter is better description) and then an array of micky-mouse courses to impart that feel-good aura. Finally, out in the job market where new hiring quotas cause relevant filtering (competence) to be avoided an prevent (even if unjustified) costly legal entanglements.
How recently was your education experience?
Schools simply seem to filter based on who has "some" knowledge, instead of transferring basics. And yes, industry cannot rely on those false promises that schools give, so we have to test the candidate's knowledge on the subject again.
W∴ Balboos wrote: Well, aside from stealing her money by teaching beyond her capabilities, we can revisit the programming analogy. Learning to post on Farcebook doesn't make one computer savvy. Giving a diploma and telling someone they are is not at all helpful to them.
No, but it does sell student-loans and "good feelings" 
W∴ Balboos wrote: There's an implicit promise when teaching a curriculum: that the knowledge will be transferred in a usable manner - not just transferred.
Someone teaching a curriculum has no incentive to do so 
He/she just needs to deliver what the curriculum promised, in one form or the other, in order to claim money. Students seem to accept it, as long as they get their paper claiming they have said knowledge.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: How recently was your education experience?
In a european system? never. From your descriptions, I'll add that to my good-fortune list.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: They may know a thing or two on pizza's in Rome that may make a course well worth its money
Uh Oh! Pizza? On the way to the soap box.
I've had Italy's idea of pizza - I think their time would be better spent in NYC, just hopping from pizzeria to pizzeria.
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Not stepping into that beesnest
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Where I work, one of the employees went to classes to become a makeup artist. On a good day she looks like a geisha who applied her makeup with boxing gloves.
The visuals...thanks, I needed that.
So when you say she went...is it still work in progress, or is she done with the classes?
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dandy72 wrote: is she done with the classes?
She actually makes glorious note of it in her company profile - along with her other "degrees".
So - someone, somewhere - gave her scrolly-edged credentials to frame and wall-mount. Makes me wonder why I spent all those years in universities. No frame included with that stuff.
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First of all... I do know all is a "joke". It is just for the pleasure of debating.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: But I oppose the idea of having paid teachers offloading their work here
Actually what he proposed was them to take responsibility and answer their students (of course for free). If they had to invest their spare time answering here, what they are not able to explain in the lesson... I think that would increase their willing to do it right in the first place.
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Nelek wrote: First of all... I do know all is a "joke". It is just for the pleasure of debating.
I have done many courses in the Netherlands, and IT-education is a joke.
Nelek wrote: Actually what he proposed was them to take responsibility and answer their students (of course for free). If they had to invest their spare time answering here, what they are not able to explain in the lesson... I think that would increase their willing to do it right in the first place.
A teacher would already be answering those questions, and even be paid for it. If he/she doesn't, that's a choice. Doesn't mean I have to put up with them here.
I do agree with the sentiment that students should be more recognizable; some people here only need a few keywords, others need a lot of background-explanation, and it is sometimes hard to guess which of the two you're talking to.
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