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Slacker007 wrote: This place is only for Elephants that eat bacon, and tell really, really bad jokes.
Perhaps we need two new forums:
- "The pig sty" - for all matters relating to bacon
- "Dad's army" - for all the dad jokes
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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¿Cerraron el cajón del jabón? 
Demonios... las minorías.
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i wonder if i'll cough up a hairball
/cat-slave
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Cat hair: seasoning and fashion statement!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Only if you eat grass first 
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And stay away from the catnip!
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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honey the codewitch wrote: i wonder if i'll cough up a hairball
That depends on whether, like cats, you are (a) covered with fur, and (b) groom yourself by licking every point reachable.
From my observations of people, both conditions are extremely unlikely. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: (a) covered with fur
I have seen a few more or less shaven monkeys.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: (b) groom yourself by licking every point reachable
No, people don't do that for grooming, but for other purposes that may not be KSS. Let's not go there.
The real obstacle seems to be that we don't have a hair brush built into our tongues and no reflex to swallow whatever gets caught in that brush.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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CodeWraith wrote: The real obstacle seems to be that we don't have a hair brush built into our tongues and no reflex to swallow whatever gets caught in that brush
That's not an "obstacle". IOW, it's a feature, not a bug.
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You are obviously not a cat. They can do that all day when they are not sleeping and it's quite serious when they don't do that.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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#lifeGoals 
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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I always claim that cat hair completes the outfit... 
My wife doesn't agree, though 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Our house (2500 square feet) is almost entirely hardwood floors. The only carpet is on the staircase.
Between one elderly female long-haired cat who yaks up her weight in hairballs every week and two greyhounds that "blow coat" in a continuous cloud, vacuuming our floors requires emptying the canister on the vacuum cleaner 8 or 10 times during the job, which takes a couple of hours.
Software Zen: delete this;
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dodging tumbleweeds of fur it sounds like
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Our dust bunnies are entering their own bobsled team in the next Winter Olympics.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I've used three of my articles (so far) in a WPF project today, and the app is coming along quickly. It's an entity factory that allows the dev to select a stored proc and generate a model (with attribute decorated properties if desired), and optionally, a view model from the returned dataset. It's kind of a mix between the ADO.Net component, and an SSIS package import package, and results in code that can be copy/pasted into a project file, in fully functional form.
It felt so good writing a desktop app that I think I'm gonna need a cigarette...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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cool. i love dal gen stuff. but i've not coded against a sql database in i don't know how long - years
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Congratulations !
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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#realJSOP wrote: It felt so good writing a desktop app that I think I'm gonna need a cigarette...
Note to everyone: don't borrow John's keyboard.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I was not terribly interested in ML, Deep Learning and/or AI until I read the book, The Creativity Code[^] by Marcus du Sautoy (mathematician)
That was a great introduction to some amazing things that are happening in the field and it got me interested in what AI is really able to do and how it is done.
Now, I'm reading a hands-on book that includes code and teaches Deep Learning concepts and code.
Here's a very good summary of which is what from the book:
Deep learning is a subset of machine learning, which is a field dedicated to the study and development of machines that can learn (sometimes with the goal of eventually attaining general artificial intelligence).
In industry, deep learning is used to solve practical tasks in a variety of fields such as computer vision (image), natural language processing (text), and automatic speech recognition (audio). In short, deep learning is a subset of methods in the machine learning toolbox, primarily using artificial neural networks, which are a class of algorithm loosely inspired by the human brain. Here's a very nice graphic from the book [^] (Venn diagram type of thing) which shows how these three terms are related.
If you've felt apathetic about AI (as I have) and weren't sure how to dip your toe into the subject, I suggest you start with the first book and continue on into Grokking Deep Learning. 
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I once read an interesting blog that AI doesn't exist and is just a marketing trick to sell ML.
The term AI in itself is problematic since no one really knows what intelligence is or how to measure it.
"Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."
So... Is a computer intelligent if it can swim, climb a tree, do basic math, survive in the jungle...?
We have self driving cars and computers that can "learn" games such as Super Mario, but those are really just ML (image recognition and trial and error until something works).
How can you create something that you don't understand and how do you know if you succeeded if you can't measure it?
Too bad I can't find that blog anymore, you'd find it interesting.
I think it was a reaction to people such as Elon Musk saying AI is dangerous.
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Sander Rossel wrote: image recognition and trial and error until something works).
That's the thing though - that's how evolutionary processes happen naturally, more or less (i'm simplifying but it holds)
ML may not be AI, but we're on the right path, roughly. Such a thing needs to be grown "organically", I'm as certain of that as I am of nearly anything.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Next to trial and error we can reason about things.
And we can do completely unreasonable things as well.
Our heads do a lot more than ML and trial and error.
Something computers, so far, cannot.
My real point, however, is that we can't have AI if we don't know what intelligence is to begin with.
There's a computer that can score 150 on an IQ test, but that doesn't make it intelligent in the least even though such a feat would mean brilliance for people.
And even then, these brilliant people wouldn't survive a few days in the jungle while "dumb" jungle tribes have lived there for centuries.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I once read an interesting blog that AI doesn't exist and is just a marketing trick to sell ML.
The term AI in itself is problematic since no one really knows what intelligence is or how to measure it.
Interesting ideas. Thanks for posting.
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