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OriginalGriff wrote: Live and let liver,
Shouldn't that be "Live and Let Die"?
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OriginalGriff wrote: Live and let liver, I say.
with some fava beans and a nice Chianti Ffffffffff
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Not so easy, it takes brains to cook that particular dish!
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... well, on android smartphones, is getting out of hands ! I think that you need at least decent 32Gb for the OS to run stable with Chrome as a browser, and even 64Gb if you want it to last a bit. My current smartphone is running really well, but has "only" 16Gb memory. 13,8Gb are eaten by Android itself (7Gb) and other mandatory apps from the Google ecosystem which I have no use of (about 7Gb as well). The remaining 2,2Gb are barely sufficient to allow the smartphone to run properly, since android heavily relies on swapping to run.
A google play update usually takes up additional 100 to 200Mb, and that happens every other month. At that pace, I can throw away my smartphone in about 4 months due to lack of ROM.  (And yes, I moved everything movable to a SD card).
I wonder how it is possible that there are still smartphones sold with 8Gb or 16Gb memory, knowing that this is not sufficient to even use the bare smartphone after a few months... And the fact that everything relies on built-in memory instead of SD is just insane.
Now that I think about it, it is actually similar to a laptop I bought for my son last year with a 128Gb SSD with the OS and a 1Tb disk for data. Windows takes up 123Gb (!!!) by now on the SSD drive, and since some programs insist on putting at least minimum installation files under program files on that same disk, I am now more or less forced to upgrade this disk to a 500Gb SSD. 
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I have a 3 GB ram phone (with 32 GB internal storage), it never happened that I crossed the 2 GB usage...
I do not use Chrome, but Firefox. Use Email, WhatsApp, Waze, Gmail and phone as phone in daily basis...
At his very moment I use 60% of the 3 GB and 22% of the 32 GB...
You may investigate the actual usage (per-app)...
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: with 32 GB internal storage
I am talking about internal storage here - I can't believe that you have only 8Gb (22%) of your internal storage with android + play + Gmail + ... I have about twice as much with the same setup.
BUT you have 32Gb, not 16Gb anyway 
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Services Google Play takes only 246 MB and Google Play only 86 MB on my phone for instance (all updated for latest before check)...
That's alone a huge difference... I do not know why...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Interesting (I have 8.0.0). And since there is absolutely no details as to what "Service Google Play" exactly is, no way to check what is eating up that much space on my phone
I also noticed that the YouTube app takes up 440Mb after empyting the cache. I do not even use it and cannot be uninstalled (since part of Google). 
Damn.
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Google play services are all the backend APIs that sit between the OS and apps. They were carved out from the OS something like a decade ago so that your phone wasn't frozen on the API level it came out with at release; but instead its apps could get most new features added with newer android versions.  Also because taking them out of AOSP meant that Amazon Kindle tablets wouldn't have them, making porting apps harder. 
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Google Play Services on my Motorola phone is taking 517 MB. I think this service uses the internal storage as a cache for those who use the nearly defunct (Google has announced they're killing it sometime this fall) Play Services.
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It maybe has something to do with the Android version? I'm running Oreo (8.1.0)...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I have an 8.0 Gb Nokia 1 phone that is almost two years old, and am nowhere near running out of memory. But then I am a bit weird as I actually think it's a phone, and use it as such.
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Well, non android os on nokia phones ...
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OK, nevermind. I thought Nokia had some own os of some sorts (Windows phone ?).
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Your question related to Android phones, that is why I replied.
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Let's hope the Chinese come up with a lighter alternative, but I think the chance is slim as they also manufacture MicroSD cards and it's profitable to keep selling higher capacity cards 
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Mine (Huawei P30 Lite) has 4GB RAM, 128GB Internal, and (currently) a 64GB SD card (Max 512GB)
Total used so far: 90GB, of which 56GB is videos, 2GB is music, and 18GB apps - mostly map data I think.
Android isn't using that much!
My previous phone (MotoG version 1) had 1GB of RAM, 8GB of internal, and no external storage. It worked fine, until I needed England maps as well as Wales - and they didn't fit any more because android was using 7GB or so ... Hence the change of phones ...
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Here my setup:
Android & system 6,8 Gb
Services Google play 1,2Gb (cannot remove it)
Google play 414Mb (cannot remove it)
Google play store 148Mb (cannot remove it)
Google 300Mb
Maps 200Mb
Google Sheets 200Mb (cannot remove it)
Gboard 150Mb (cannot remove it)
Gmail 116Mb (cannot remove it)
Gboard (?) 150Mb (cannot remove it)
Drive 100Mb (cannot remove it)
Message 100Mb (cannot remove it)
Phone 100Mb (cannot remove it)
Embedded Texttospeech 80Mb (cannot remove it)
etc... All in all, the forced apps eat up to 7Gb.
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This is why a got one with 128GB and an external card interface this time!
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AS I just happend to learn, the SD card can be used as portable or internal - As portable, you can use it as a normal SD device, meaning the SD is readable by a PC. I am saving pictures on it, and I want to be able to retrieve them if the phone breaks or fails, so ... I use this "portable" feature.
The internal feature on the other hand uses the SD card as an extension of internal memory, but it is not readable by external devices then...
I think I need a mix of both
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Do you sync your music with the on-line Google Play? Google Play Services uses local storage to cache downloaded media from the on-line Google Play.
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Well, in fact you can remove all those non-removable apps except Google Play services (killing them will make your phone unusable), you just need to connect ADB shell to your phone, then you can remove any of those pre-installed apps using pm uninstll -k <package.id>. Purging cached data for Play services can also help, they usual don't fill all this storage back, not that fast at least
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Mrs Wife has a $100 LG Smart Phone. It started to complain about memory a year or so ago. If I recall, it came with 4GB internal and I doubled it with a handy MicroSD card I had around. She also did some deleting of old data.
It sees the card and on top of that we made more room.
Yet . . . it still says memory is low. It makes me think of that it's a version of that sleazy apple phone-slow-down in an update. Just make the phone demand upgrades that require a new phone.
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