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I also get, and appreciate, what you're saying.
I'm afraid I have no solution to offer however. Humanity's stupidity is winning out, and will be the cause of our downfall.
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"Exceeded the capacity for XLS" files.
Sounds like management-speak. (If we blame "Office", no one will be the wiser)
(The first time one sees a spread-sheet, it's usually beyond one's "capacity" to handle effectively).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Since I suffered through years of Windows updates I thought I might mention how my first ever major Linux upgrade went.
I was running 18.04 until earlier today.
I ran the upgrade process and it was amazingly, shockingly smooth.
The amazing things were that my machine was completely usable through the entire upgrade until only the last moments where I had to shut down and restart the machine. On Windows I would'a been watching a spinning cursor for 45 minutes or an hour.
I am quite happy because the new OS still consumes relatively small amount of RAM -- only about 4-5GB of the 16GB total.
I'm currently running FireFox, Chrome, Remmina (RDP software connected to three win10 boxes), Android Studio and an Android emulator, VNC (connected to my Mac Mini), Calibre ebook reader and Thunderbird email client and I'm still only at 8GB consumed.
Try that on Win10. Win10 just consumes so much RAM by itself.
I really enjoyed all those years on Windows -- especially on Win 2000 and XP -- but the past year has been great on Ubuntu.
Any other Linuxers out there? 
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raddevus wrote: Any other Linuxers out there?
I tried years ago but it was so much work to do anything and I had to run sudo every time I wanted to do something that I gave up. I'll spend the $100 on a Windows license.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: 'll spend the $100 on a Windows
 Although my license ended up being $148 after tax.
Don't forget the extra $$$ for 16GB of extra RAM since you're running win10. 
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raddevus wrote: 16GB of extra RAM
$2.99. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: $2.99.
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Yeah, Minit 20 here, same experience upgrading (with the exception of having to install a proprietary driver). Been testing LMDE in a VM and will move to it now that I found a way to do the Mate desktop. Don't much care for the Ubuntu folks way of doing things. Linux has been my main system for over 10 years. Started with SuSE, something like version 5 or 6.
I run several Windows machines in VM's for development. Don't hate Windows, just a contrarian. I think W2000 was the best, still run Office 2000 on a W10 VM (except for Lookout). I use Remina via a (hardware) VPN to connect to a W2014 Server running under ESXi (along with a couple of other Windows VM's). Used to do Exchange until we moved it to the cloud. I don't think sudo is any different than having Windows asking me "mother may I". Guess it is what you get used to. To each his own, fanboys are annoying. 
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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theoldfool wrote: Guess it is what you get used to.
That's the real truth of all software. I'm the same way about Windows, I don't hate it, I'm just a contrarian. Plus the big pull for me was trying to run Android Studio and Android emulator on my windows machine. It killed on Win10 and is super smooth on Ubuntu.
The move of .NET Core, Visual Studio Code and SQL Server to Linux has been a real help too.
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Fedora. Closing a decade on it...
For about three years not even VMs of Windows...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Fedora. Closing a decade on it...
Wow!
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: For about three years not even VMs of Windows...
Double-wow!!
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I've been on Ubuntu since about 14.04. My web server is still on 16.04LTS. 
I just upgraded this (my "social" lappie) to 20.04LTS a couple of days ago. As you experienced, it went very smoothly.
Only found a couple of very minor issues:
The upgrade switched off third-party APT repositories, so I lost a dubious game.
"Panel World Clock" didn't make it.
I'll do my "serious" machine in a couple of days. It's got a SSD, so it'll be interesting to see how long it doesn't take.
I don't think I'm going to upgrade my server. It's due for retirement, and I have the hardware to build a proper one, RAID and all.
Then I can do centralised backups, email sharing, etc.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Glad to hear of other Ubuntu Linuxers out there.
Always interesting to hear other's stories about how it is (or isn't) working for them. thx
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Sometimes I wonder what people do to have problem with Windows.. I am always up-to-date, since like XP, never blue screen, all good..
That said it is true that Window use lots of RAM compare to, say, Linux. Not that it ever caused me any trouble though....
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I have been running Windows VM's (W2k-W10 and various servers ) for years. I can't remember the last time I had a blue screen. Don't think I have ever seen one on W10. Updates are not a problem, most of what I develop can be done with the NIC turned off. Turn it on and leave it overnight once in a while. But... sometimes oldfool forgets. Sometimes oldfool is, well, an old fool.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Yeah, I agree, the majority of Windows installations work fine. There have just been some annoyances along the way with some odd updates and interrupting type of things.
When win10 released it killed a few laptops in our household until we were able to upgrade them to SSDs and that was a pain. win10 was i/o intensive.
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I've been on Kubuntu for over 10 years, running on various desktops and laptops. I have only once had a problem with an upgrade - and that was self-inflicted. Having failed to keep one of my systems up to date for a couple of years, I tried to go straight to the latest release. I spent a painful few hours digging myself out of that, but the end result was a working system, no loss of data and a better understanding of the inner working of Linux.
I agree that upgrades, (and fresh installs) are painless, quick and easy with K/Ubuntu and most modern Linux distributions. And, these days, the desktop experience is excellent. I would also accept that Linux is not good at everything - in particular support for some hardware is iffy and there are still Windows apps which can't be run.
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Yeah, it's always a balancing act with OSes. Linux desktop took a long while to get here and there are still some hobbyist / insider feeling to installing stuff and special hardware setup.
But after you get over those it runs so smoothly.
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I put it on my Intel NUC - a version of ubuntu was available pre-certified for it and, as you'd expect, it pretty much ran right out of the box from the installation.
And of course, the Raspberry PI on Rasberrian (Debian) - again taking advantage of that small RAM footprint.
I spend most of my time on Win7 - but that is in large part because that's what they use "at work".
A silver lining to their having moved to web-based applications: If they move to Win10 at some point I don't have to worry about changing my systems - browsers bring their own O/S (sort of).
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: I put it on my Intel NUC - a version of ubuntu was available pre-certified for it
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Raspberry PI on Rasberrian (Debian) - again taking advantage of that small RAM footprint.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: browsers bring their own O/S (sort of).
I agree. For a while I had a saying, "The Browser _is_ the OS."
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An interesting thought:
JAVA was supposed to be the universal language that ran across all platforms with but a single version, that final comparability being handled for on each system with it's java 'engine'.
Well, as it turns out, we have an even more universal system, which are the browsers. Even if they differ in support, they still work on whatever part of the source they can use. No one really owns it and open source has effectively taken over. I have, for example, installed WaterFox because FireFox stopped supporting some plugins I liked (like one for FTP).
The usage is so massive and there's enough support for the various browsers that no one's the boss.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: The usage is so massive and there's enough support for the various browsers that no one's the boss.
I hope it continues that way.
And, your thoughts are also what has created the ElectronJS API (runs on Chrome layer).
Visual Studio Code is built in ElectronJS and runs on all three major platforms (Mac, Win, Linux).
I wrote my own app (CYaPass) as an Electron app and have deployed it to all three platforms successfully and deployed it to the Snap store (app store for Ubuntu[^]).
Electron is honestly an amazing technology, but I know many people hate HTML and JS development.
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I managed a server with Red Hat Enterprise 5.0 years ago, it was robust, stable... all what you can expect from a server + Operating system.
I've got Ubuntu in the ironing room at my parents house... it's been a terrible thing: corrupted software, impossible to update, impossible to start the OS...
Reinstalled it 3 times... At the end I've installed lubuntu... now it stats without issues.
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Good counterpoint story. I know Ubuntu doesn't work for everyone. Wonder what the problems were that caused the issues. Did you try win10 on that box? Were you able to install win10 on the same box? Just curious. I wonder how lubuntu was different that it worked?
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I did, but it's an old all-in-one computer which has some drivers problems which makes windows 10 unusable... it stops the mouse every few seconds for a while...
No idea... Lubuntu seems to need less resources, but I had never seen it working at its limit when ubuntu was there... In fact they only use it to watch TV and to get a few kitchen recipes from Internet...
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