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Enough of this gabfest! Don't you lads have any work to do?
And for the record, @code-witch, I'll also use a braceless if, and even if-else, but it depends. A simple
if(condition)
statement1;
else
statement2;
is perfectly clear to me.
I'm so thoughtful, injecting new life into your thread. 
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Greg Utas wrote: Don't you lads have any work to do?
On a Sunday? No
Greg Utas wrote: I'm so thoughtful, injecting new life into your thread.
But do you really want to get involved?
Too late for that, you're a part of this now.
Prepare to be pitchforked!
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"are there no workhouses?"
Alright Scrooge, it's Sunday!
Real programmers use butterflies
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Oh I know. It's much more difficult for you to if I treat you like you're not. 
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if(foo)
bar();
baz();
In Python not... 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Perhaps ironically that's actually the reason I will not use python. I'm serious.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Perhaps ironically that's actually the reason I will not use python. I'm serious.
I feel your pain and share your concern.
And I am serious too.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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This thread really is really resonating with my experiences, both good and bad ones. I'll try to sum up my experience so briefly:
First the bad:
The toxic 'anti-learn' folks are around, with so many variances. I try to persuade them to find joy in their work, but to them it's "...just my job, I'll get what I have to do done and then go home and not think about it". Never learn anything new unless they're explicitely directed to use it. Or "...I just have to do this for ten more years and then I can retire...". They'd be wiser to change their careers now when they're still young enough to live life. I'd rather be dead already if I was in their miserable state.
And the best!
The learners, the knowledge-sharers! These are the people in techie careers of all types (and then again, not necessarily techies) They are a joy to know and work with! Something new comes their way and they willingly share it, or they seek out their coworkers/neighbors/friends. They share in the fun you have of learning too. Keep in touch with these folks. You can always get joy from learning, even if it doesn't pay dividends!(e.g. even learn to juggle!)
A teacher in high school told me to never stop learning, never stop reading things, keep connections that matter. It was the best advice I ever got.
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Pete Kelley wrote: The learners, the knowledge-sharers!
I've been this in an organization full of
Pete Kelley wrote: The toxic 'anti-learn' folks
I regularly posted about new stuff on the internal Yammer channel, but I barely got responses.
Then I posted something about Cobol and how it wasn't dead and I got more likes than I've ever had before
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I was trained in the late 60-ies and early 70-ties, and then - of course - doing computers and computer science was an adventure. Developments were going fast, languages were being developed and explored. Compiler construction was a real challenge then.
The last 20 years of my professional life I was in a more managerial role, buto boy, you can learn a lot then! about people, politics and organizations.
After retirement I picked up programming again, and it is really different from the days of working on a PDP-9 or 11. But, as long as there is a clear view of what I want to make (I am afraid it is more the technical stuff) I really enjoy learning about Fourier, Laplace Javascript, PHP , C++ and ....
So, yes I understand what you are saying, and I think it is a wonderful attitude
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Time to transition to the "teaching rush".
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I try. Look at my article count here.
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Not just that, but also actual teaching with students around. Clearing their doubts, and resolving their issues.
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I'm not able to do that anymore. A few years ago I went over the high wall and since then people freak me out, especially lots of them in one room. 
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I am currently teaching middle school math to just one student, over Skype, and it is a whole new experience. Just keeping his attention for one full hour is an adventure in itself, but I learn from his mother that it is enriching him.
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Excellent! 
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About 10 years ago I was doing one day a week freelance fixing up a local school's admin system. The IT teacher introduced me to one young 13-yo lad who was keen to learn. I spent my lunch breaks tutoring him at a level way above the rest of his IT class; he was a quick learner and enthusiastic. A couple of weeks ago I checked him on LinkedIn. On leaving school he setup a couple of startups, one working with management of cloud-based security, before getting a developer role with a company building a P2P networking tool for youngsters suffering mental health issues; then a senior engineer role with a predictive marketing company, also involved in the hiring process for his employer.
Sometimes the "rush" can be delayed by quite a few years!
(Not that I can take all the credit for his success - he was the sort of lad who would make it, whatever his circumstances)
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Not an addiction so much as a desire to know things. I have learned so much since I stopped working, and am always interested in new stuff. The only problem is that my brain is slower these days, and it takes longer for things to sink in, and it needs to be repeated so many times.
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The older I get the more inquisitive I get, I'm constantly learning new things.
Is it an addiction...yes. next thing you'll be trying to get your fridge to talk to your toaster.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
JaxCoder.com
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It's true though!
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I do feel wasted the day I do not read/watch something new... And it not all for programming at all...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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One of the interesting things I have found after becoming really old is there is so much one could learn that you can be rather selective about what you choose to learn. Unfortunately I don't have the time to learn everything I want to.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Not at first, but eventually, I found out what my aptitudes. They had been expressing themselves since, well, always - but it was accepting what they were and what they weren't that took a while.
They more or less fit well with the latin phrase:Quote: Aut viam inveniam aut faciam - Hannibal
It has two faces: you can find someone more proficient than I but you will not easily find someone who's better at solving your problems. Basically a lifetime stream of inventions (whether as inventive solutions or actual physical objects). The 'Necessity is the mother of invention' thing does play into it but it isn't always necessity - or maybe better put - it becomes a personal necessity . . .
. . . and that's the greatest fun. Coding is fun, but it's somewhat indirect. By the time my fingers start their dance on the keyboard they're following a path already worked out and still evolving. Putting imagination into practice - relaxing; absorbing - playing!
Learning new things is a part. Reusing old things in new ways is a part. I'm not even sure there's truly a difference.
Something possibly explained when someone tells me I "think outside of the box" and all I can think of as a suitable reply is "what box" ?
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: when someone tells me I "think outside of the box" and all I can think of as a suitable reply is "what box" ?
I can understand that. I have a gift in that area as well but in part because I cheat. I went mad. It helps.
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Let me feed you a new obsessive imperative:
The parser parser. Maybe the wrong name for it but my posts on CP ofttimes reflect the need.
The spell checker within most browsers is a parser (no?). The problem is that it will mess with words and change them to other words (or put first char on a new line to UC when it's not appropriate and without even asking).
I sometimes look at my posts a little later and sigh about the corrected spelling of the (now) wrong word.
So we need a parser to parse the parsed.
Or, maybe it's time - your Opus Magnum - akin to "one ring to rule them all" and you make "THE ÜBER-PARSER".
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