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I held back a while but the thought keeps returning. Having read this Lounge Post[^] I realize that you need to institute a strict code of speaking only well of coffee and it's legitimate derivatives.
Considering the post's possible detrimental affects on minors, it's clearly not KSS. For those of us who are normal (in the programmers sense of the word) it is abusive and even heretical. I don't recall any such posts in the SoapBox - and that's really saying something ! This topic, for any others who may harbor similar perversions, is the true value of "Don't Ask - Don't Tell".
In the name of all that is good, right, and smells wonderful, it is time for you to act with righteous vigor!
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I've never understood why some people are proud to be addicted to the most popular legal drug in the world.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: For those of us who are normal
And thank goodness I am not.
Most of the developers I have worked with do not drink coffee. When I started in my career that was not what I was expecting.
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BabyYoda wrote: I've never understood why some people are proud to be addicted to the most popular legal drug in the world.
This reminds me of something "ZuroDev" would have posted. Interesting.
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We may disagree an awful lot on most things but I always appreciate that you keep your CP Indentiy intact.
Some seem to need to keep crawling under a different rock, now and then, but their signature will be recognized soon enough.
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BabyYoda wrote: I've never understood
Which explains so many of your problems.
BabyYoda wrote:
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: For those of us who are normal
And thank goodness I am not.
Not being normal can be a positive attribute - but in this case, the route of a sociopath - I've never know that to end well.
BabyYoda wrote: Most of the developers I have worked with do not drink coffee
It probably keeps peace in the day-room on your ward 🐿.
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Current research indicates that coffee has various health benefits, particularly in reducing the frequency of certain cancers.
But about 10 years ago, I regularly started feeling lightheaded, similar to what you feel like after being sick and spending too much time in bed. I researched it and found that drinking too much coffee can be the cause. I was drinking about 4 mugs (=8 cups) a day, so I cut back to one. That fixed it, so now I rarely go beyond that.
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Greg Utas wrote: Current research indicates that coffee has various health benefits, particularly in reducing the frequency of certain cancers.
In that case, I suppose it's worth getting addicted to for the rest of your life. 
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BabyYoda wrote: In that case, I suppose it's worth getting addicted to for the rest of your life.
And consider how insidious it is, too! It prolongs your life so you can drink more of it.
Indeed, I find myself a victim of this scam. A very willing one, at that
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Greg Utas wrote: Current research indicates that coffee has various health benefits,
Greg Utas wrote: I researched it and found that drinking too much coffee can be the cause.
Exactly... most of the problems with many things don't come with the use / consume... but with the abuse.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Tea posts are the only socially acceptable posts allowed concerning hot beverages during coding.
(whilst drinking a jolly good black tea Chai blend)
I'd rather be phishing!
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I drop some Lapsang Suchong now and then, or Loong Jing.
As for those blends: ruins perfectly good tea. On the order of that true perversion of adding milk to tea. I suppose, if one has no sense of taste (or was brought up in the UK - a similar handicap), then none of it really matters . . .
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: (or was brought up in the UK - a similar handicap)
Guilty!  But I only add about a teaspoon of milk to a good strong mug of Taylors' Yorkshire. I usually drink black tea when out - because no-one can get "a tiny amount of milk"!
I very seldom drink coffee, (particularly in the UK) and never in the mornings. I like to ease gently into the day. 
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I spent some time in the UK and, although they drink a lot of tea and are famous for it, as a general rule, they ruin it. It seems to be an attempt to brew it so strong that it becomes a syrup. The natives then were inclined to neutralize it with milk. I put some in a cup and asked for water to dilute it to something tolerable to humans. Then, again, you guys are really into Gin, too.
Another interesting aspect: the primary teas are from India - duh - no surprise. Some years ago I discovered I can taste the difference between Indian and Chinese tea. Although the former usually has a better aroma and almost invariably cured (black) the Chinese types usually have less of the unique tea perfume but taste better and are typically left green. There are crossovers. I have some Green tea from India (my son brought it to me) and it's quite decent. My favorite two Chinese teas are both black.
But, back to the topic: except for some of the foreign restaurants (e.g., Indian, Chinese), the food was a horror story perhaps only equaled by the food in Germany. It seems to be by preference as, on a trip in the Dominican Republic, I noticed the English guest filling their plates with eggs, sausage, and bacon, and when empty, sopping up the grease with bread (and eating it). Somewhat similar to their Teutonic co-europeans.
US food varies very greatly - size, waves of immigration, and exceptional abundance. The fraction of one's income spent on food (in the US) is remarkably small compared to almost anywhere. In a NYC suburb, access to dishes from around the world is just plain awesome. Good fortune, really, as many a place in the US (and many a person, even in NYC area) grew up thinking a "spice shelf" consists of salt and pepper. I have, however, found within easy reach Hispanic, Asian, and Kosher supermarkets (large ones) along with the usual (mostly) ugh.
But find some of that Lapsang Suchong tea. It's cured (black) and smoked over pine needles. I love it (favorite) and it never gets bitter - others, however, hate it. A few battles have broken out in the CP Lounge over this tea in prior years.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: I spent some time in the UK and, although they drink a lot of tea and are famous for it, as a general rule, they ruin it. It seems to be an attempt to brew it so strong that it becomes a syrup.
Well, as we 'invented' it,  surely that's how it's supposed to be!  Which is why you'll find most Brits complaining about not being able to get a decent cup of tea when outside of the UK. BTW, my wife's family, (originally from Pakistan), make something that I don't even recognise as tea!
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: except for some of the foreign restaurants (e.g., Indian, Chinese), the food was a horror story
I think we've upped our game a bit, these days. Although there are still probably more bad restaurants than good!
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SteveH wrote: Brits complaining about not being able to get a decent cup of tea when outside of the UK
This reminded me of Eric Idle's diatribe in MP's Travel Agency sketch, which is one of their great ones. 
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Absolute classic.
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5teveH wrote: I like to ease gently into the day.
Wish I could adopt that philosophy.
I start my day as one would being jolted violently from a bad nightmare - with as much caffeine as my heart will allow. 
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5teveH wrote: I only add about a teaspoon of milk
A teaspoon for tea, a soup spoon for soup, a coffee spoon for coffee, and a dessert spoon for desserts. But why do we have a table spoon?
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jsc42 wrote: But why do we have a table spoon?
for the peas and mashed potatoes.
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I'm trying to follow the chapter on Swing in this book already for second hour and I can't even draw and simple image yet... The code is missing. He writes a method than never used it, shows a snippet of a code and doesn't expalin where to put that snippet. Than he jumps to another topic without showing how to implement what he showed earlier. Than he writes a whole code and puts methods in there which never are used in main method or anywhere in the book and aren't even continuation of what he was showing before. Some code doesn't work eithe and needs to be, ironically fixed by a noob himself so that it actually work. How could his book on Java Fundamentals get so good reviews? Like chapters up to inheritannce are okay, but after this the book is just beyond horrible.
And it's not me being stupid because I learned a lot more from udemy, Youtube and David.J.Barnes' book "Objects First with java" in 15 minutes than by reading this book for many hours. I'm sitting like a detective and try to get what this guy means and solve the mysterium of how to create and image and I'm done! I'll just look it up on Youtube and throw this book in to the recycling bin. What's wrong with java book writers? Are something wrong with their brains? Why are they so bad at teaching and communicating? Why c++ developer can write books but java developer can't? Have someone a theory on that? I just would like to sit with one book and have a structered studying, chapter by chapter like when I read Deitel's books but it's impossible witth those java books. They are really putting me off from learning java 
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Member 14971499 wrote: What's wrong with java book writers?
Nothing, any more the C++, C#, Algol ... writers. It is just that some books are better than others. The one I learned from years ago was basically The Java™ Tutorials[^]. Give it a try.
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A very many years ago I was trying to bootstrap into SQL/database programming via C++. Well, in order for a quick start I got one of those books in the series "_______ programming in 30 days", later to eventually become "in 24 hours".
Well, the damn book only talked in terms of FoxPro. Finally, I actually emailed the author and it turns out the nitwit only knew FoxPro ! The later titles, where 30 days became 24 hours says more than I could.
Apparently, one didn't need any more knowledge to write a book than to know a publisher.
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Wow  What a story. I was so angry at Hortsmann that I wanted to write to him email as well, but I didn't want to be mean... so I didn't  But sometimes when I read those books I have the same feeling like... Is he that bad at expalining or he simply can't do that himself? Because I understand that some books can be hard to learn from, because they are maybe too advanced or maybe too boring or maybe badly explained but still they have an explanation, they communicate something but some books, and especially this... well... the information is simply not there (!). Even if I find something hard to understand I read it all over again but in this book... I can't read it again because there is nothing to unerstand, because the information is absent. For example he writes a code like this:
public void paintComponent(Graphics g) {
var g2 = (Graphics2D) g;
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Than he never uses this method and I have no clue what to put into g parameter if I guess I use it in main? Other classes don't never use this method either... and where this g2 come from? Where did he crate an object of this unkown class. "var" doesn't say anything to me so I have no clue, what this class is and he doesn't reveal that either in his book.... And than he writes something like:
Image image = new ImageIcon(filename).getImage();
My comment: And again this mysterious method with that mysterious g which is casted from g2, that I don't know where to put instead if I would to use it in main just to see how that works...
public void paintComponent(Graphics g) {
g.drawImage(mage, x,y,null);
My comment: And where do I get this g from ... I don't get anything  How did that happen and where was that mysterious g created? Of course if I want to use it... again, I guess in main or anywhere... but where is this g-object created so I can put it in the parameter and use this method? what da... 
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And I own plenty of books like this Do you understand my frustration now?
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Yeah, I will start doing it before I go crazy, but personally I prefer reading books. They are more gentle on the eyes, I can make notes, mark the last chapter that I read and I am not getting distracted by a reference to a link that leads to another link that is a refence to a bunch of links like it's always a case with websites. But I don't have much choice. Thanks for advice
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The Java Tutorials don't do that. They are nicely laid out with helpful links, which make them very easy to navigate. And bookmarking your place when you want a break is not exactly difficult.
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