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Yep! YUAT. I was getting scared of the three strikes rule...
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Peter_in_2780 wrote: [clue] What kind of apple? [/clue]
Laxton's Superb, Bramley, Cox's Orange Pippin? Take your pick. 
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From what I have seen so far, the centered start menu in win 11 will no longer allow custom grouping, only a group of "pinned" apps but not freely organized.
I think this is a huge step back.
How is your current win10 start menu organized? do you use the customization features it offers or do you ignore most of the features?
To see what I mean, here's my start menu.
Start menu[^]
How about yours?
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Mine looks and acts like Windows 7 - I have always hated the Win 10 menu/blocks/tiles.
Open-Shell is your friend.
Start menu[^]
So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8
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I do not use the tiles at all (the totally hidden) and almost never the menu itself...
I use RocketDock to access my applications...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I also despise the tiles and blocky look. I've been using Classic Start Menu. Apparently the hooks to replace the start menu have been removed? I sure hope someone finds a workaround.
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Classic start menu here too. I want a menu that's concise and that I can organise myself. I'm colour blind so coloured icons don't really do it for me.
What really irks me is that when installing Office, I have to rename all of the links so that I can access them with a keystroke; it's no good when every sodding link starts with the word "Microsoft". But "Word", "Excel", "Access" - just tap W, E or A on the keyboard and you're away. You'd think someone in the Windows team would have quietly taken someone in the Office team aside and had a gentle word in their ear.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Apparently the hooks to replace the start menu have been removed?
My guess as to why is that they want to show ads on the start menu, and they don't want you to be able to avoid them.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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The what?  "Pinned apps"? What?
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++ for OpenShell, Rocket Dock and/or Winstep Nexus Dock. I've hated all the Start Menus since Win7.
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if google'd all three of them... never heard of any of these and from the screenshots i saw this is almost exactly the opposite of what i want windows to be.
No, thanks.
But thank you for naming them - as I said - never heard of these and I am always interested in seeing something new.
But those... nope. Not for me.
If I want something like MacOS i would USE MacOS. Apple-free-zone here.
Fruits and electricity are no good partners. Only exceptions are potatoes and lemons.
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I can't use the STL in my IoT projects because it's not really all there and/or properly implemented on a lot of platforms, particularly those covered by the Arduino framework.
To that end, I've developed some basic data structures because I needed them. Just simple stuff, like a linked list and a hash table/dictionary. Everything works except for the dictionary's enumerator/iterator.
For the life of me I can't track down why I'm getting fed a bad (non-null) pointer and I'm about ready to give up on it to the point where I want to rewrite the whole thing.
There is another option. I can simply not have an enumerator/iterator. That would be reasonable considering I probably won't need one for the project I built this for in mind.
But I can't bring myself to do it. It just seems intolerably incomplete to me. What kind of container can't be enumerated/iterated (aside from some multithreaded containers which have good reasons not to), so I'm still hammering away at it.
Is this ridiculous? Enumeration/iteration is a core part of any container, and I'd feel really shady releasing this upon the world without one, but maybe that's just me. What do you think?
Real programmers use butterflies
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Leave it out.
Enumeration/iteration is a core part of any container
Is it actually? It's a core part of linear containers at least. You're not enumerating dictionaries in this project and that is not entirely a coincidence: dictionaries are often not enumerated. That's a useful thing to be able to do, don't get me wrong, it's just not the primary thing they're used for.
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You made me think, and I guess you're right. I removed the enumeration code. Thanks.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Without even reading your message... I would say yes.
You can be too perfectionist and a bit obsessive.
As Enigma said:
Quote: ...Turn off the lights, take a deep breath and relax...
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I can't use the STL in my IoT projects because it's not really all there and/or properly implemented on a lot of platforms
Just curious, have you considered using a public domain STL, e.g. STLport: SGI STL Overview ? I have not used it myself, don't know how complete it is, or even if it provides any C++11 or later features. In any case, the effort of compiling for an IOT device, or its tool chain might be prohibitive. I'm just wondering if such a beast might go some distance to assisting you with your project. At least, if that route is viable for you, you'd have a consistent STL implementation across all platforms.
Keep Calm and Carry On
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I can't do it, because there's a *reason* it's not implemented properly, and or incomplete on many IoT devices.
One reason is RAM in the single digit kilobytes. The other is 8-bit CPUs.
That's not true of the platform I typically target, but it is true of platforms I also wish to target.
Real programmers use butterflies
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What I like with my home pet project at home I can be as demanding, or as little, as I want.
I learned when to throw the towel or not on my own term.
That said this bug looks suspicious, and there might be more that is not working!
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Yeah it is suspicious, but it passed all my other checks, and the enumeration code kind of had to do its own thing anyway, since hashtables aren't intrinsically enumerable.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Due to all the indoor fins.
I didn't bring a coat. I'll just see myself out.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Wait, when they begin to eat each other...
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Is it just me or is it the most ironic thing in the world that the organisation responsible (maybe in quotes) for web standards has the most appallingly formatted outside of a geocities archive?
5 minutes work on their CSS would do wonders. And yet...
cheers
Chris Maunder
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In Spain we say: In house of the blacksmith, wooden cuttery
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The shoemaker's kids go barefoot. (From Hungary)
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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