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Eddy Vluggen27-Jul-21 13:30

27-Jul-21 13:30

Yeah, I won't end on "tea".

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charlieg27-Jul-21 10:45

27-Jul-21 10:45

Morphine is good, pain sucks and as dangerous as the morphine. Lack of pain relieves stress on the body.

Get someone to cross check you...

Elephant - here in America that's a foot long incision? What the heck at they looking for or fixing? Probably TMI so no need to post but take it easy.

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Eddy Vluggen27-Jul-21 12:07

27-Jul-21 12:07

charlieg wrote:
Elephant - here in America that's a foot long incision? What the heck at they looking for or fixing?

They took 15cm of intestines out, because Crohn's.

Then the wound got infected and had to be cut open again, without time for anesthetic. Yeah, that feels a bit rough.

charlieg wrote:
Morphine is good

It's the worst, and refused it after the last operation.

You feel like you in Heaven.

And I fortunate that it is "just" morfine.

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Greg Utas27-Jul-21 12:27

Greg Utas

27-Jul-21 12:27

Wow. Hope you make a full recovery. Rose | [Rose]

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Eddy Vluggen27-Jul-21 12:49

27-Jul-21 12:49

The surgery was last year, but the dependency on morfine is still there.

And as any programmer can tell you, dependencies are bad, mkay?

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charlieg27-Jul-21 15:46

27-Jul-21 15:46

Crap on a cracker. My son has Crohn's and has had *some* surgery just not as extensive as what you're gone through. Feel for you Eddy.

My only point on the morphine is that pain killers (not necessarily morphine) can help the body relax, help sleep and let it heal. Went through this with paranoid inlaws after a major car accident.

pray you recover well. Rose | [Rose]

Eddy Vluggen28-Jul-21 5:48

28-Jul-21 5:48

charlieg wrote:
My son has Crohn's

Reminded me of one of my bosses, who came into the kitchen and suddenly said his daughter was diagnosed with Crohn's. That day, he wasn't the manager but just a father. Worst moment ever, I could feel him suffer and could do nothing.

charlieg wrote:
My only point on the morphine is that pain killers (not necessarily morphine) can help the body relax

Yup, that was one of my excuses.

Hate to say it. For your son, pain will be a part of life. That sounds bad, but it made me grow in unexpected ways.

If he has trouble eating, take him to a restaurant. And if he is missing part of his bowel, he should have his blood tested regularly.

And sorry. Your son is prolly braver and hardier then me, and he will do better Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

If you ever have questions, I am here.

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charlieg29-Jul-21 16:25

29-Jul-21 16:25

son is 11 Bravo. He's dealt with pain to the point of not paying attention to things.
Kicked in doors, humped mountains in Afghanistan and sent very bad people into the here after.

I think he has it under control, but you remind me to touch base.

Eddy Vluggen31-Jul-21 5:12

31-Jul-21 5:12

charlieg wrote:
son is 11 Bravo

That sounds military; I was already unfit to serve then. Also, pacifist. Google doesn't explain what it means either, just a lot of ads.

Seen a few risc their lives during the flood and respect for that. I seriously need to revise my stance on soldiers.

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charlieg31-Jul-21 10:30

31-Jul-21 10:30

Very military, infantry sergeant - 4 combat tours. People really don't know how much they go through.

That said, I think you'd find most soldiers very peaceful, up until bad guys come. I know my entire family has very little tolerance for bad people. The problem is not the soldiers. It's the politicians.

Eddy Vluggen31-Jul-21 13:43

31-Jul-21 13:43

charlieg wrote:
Very military, infantry sergeant - 4 combat tours. People really don't know how much they go through.

True, I don't.

We raised people to kill, which doesn't fit in my tiny mind. But hearing or seeing what they do..

I see them as trained murderers. And there's those, but the army has trained technicians and erect a bridge in a few hours. They have cooks, medical personel, supplies. In a disaster you glad when the army arrives, every pacifist is. There's medical facilities with people in uniform before you can spit.

charlieg wrote:
I know my entire family has very little tolerance for bad people.

Define "bad"? You always welcome for coffee here.

But, doing illegal drugs among other things don't make me "good people" on most people's beliefs.

My respect for your son, four wars must be a hell.

..and as a pacifist, I accept the need for his role; without his kind, we'd have even more war. The biggest graveyard here, in this tiny spot of Europe, is an American one. Those who died for our liberty. They changed bloody history, they did.

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Daniel Pfeffer27-Jul-21 18:35

Daniel Pfeffer

27-Jul-21 18:35

That's nasty. OMG | :OMG:

I've had Crohn's for over 40 years, have had three sections of my guts removed (in three separate operations), but I've never heard of an operation that went as badly as yours! I hope you make a full recovery and manage to kick the habit ASAP.

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Eddy Vluggen28-Jul-21 6:02

28-Jul-21 6:02

..19 operations so far. They can fix anything.

Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
I've never heard of an operation that went as badly as yours!

It didn't.

They took out 15 cm of intestines. Hooked it back up, no bag on my stomach. In total, 40 cm gone now. Meaning, there's enough left. Need shots of B12, since we miss the part that absorbs that.

Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
manage to kick the habit ASAP.

Maybe I underestimated it.

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PIEBALDconsult27-Jul-21 11:31

PIEBALDconsult

27-Jul-21 11:31

Leeches, my friend, leeches.

Eddy Vluggen27-Jul-21 12:09

27-Jul-21 12:09

That's being cruel to animals. My coffin will have a lead lining.

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OriginalGriff27-Jul-21 11:44

OriginalGriff

27-Jul-21 11:44

I hate morphine. Yes, it works. Yes, it takes away the pain.

But for me it's "instant Alzheimer's" time: two or three weeks of no short term memory. Long term use will do that as well, but for me one jab is enough. My mother had it as well, so possibly it has a genetic component.

Personally, I'd rather live with the pain ...

Herself takes Zomorph twice a day, and the fridge has several bottles of Oromorph - it helps her a lot with hip and spine arthritis.

Hopefully, whatever they cut you open for, they fixed?

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Eddy Vluggen27-Jul-21 12:25

27-Jul-21 12:25

OriginalGriff wrote:
I hate morphine. Yes, it works. Yes, it takes away the pain.

Worse. If I ever die, that's the way I want to go. One would die of happiness.

OriginalGriff wrote:
Personally, I'd rather live with the pain ...

Ehr..

I prefer to work. I want to earn my worth. With pain, I can't, so I keep telling myself I need this.

With pain, I don't sleep. Have you ever been awake for five days in a row? At day four, you hear things. Day five you see things.

OriginalGriff wrote:
Hopefully, whatever they cut you open for, they fixed?

Kind of; it cannot be fixed, only cut out. In time, it comes back.

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charlieg27-Jul-21 15:51

27-Jul-21 15:51

Crohn's is a bitch. I ~~fully appreciate~~ what Eddy is dealing with. No I don't, but my son does so second order effects. God speed and blessings on you - heal fellow Cp'er

Eddy Vluggen28-Jul-21 5:51

28-Jul-21 5:51

charlieg wrote:
my son does

Things have improved in the last twenty years.

How old is he?

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charlieg29-Jul-21 16:27

29-Jul-21 16:27

Eddy Vluggen31-Jul-21 5:26

31-Jul-21 5:26

Not the best age to have it; one wants to work and gets more limited every year.

Docters saying "accept it", but your parents say to try, push. Both be true. There's a middle road, that I did not find, I simply tried to cheat.

Biologicals didn't work for me, I'm still on immunosuppressants. Which doesn't sound like the best idea during a COVID pandemic.

Also, for you as a parent; being sick is not a negative - it helped me value food (after 4 weeks of being fed by a bag hooked up to a vein and the only recreation a TV with MacDonalds commercials). I don't even like MacDonalds food, but even after a week without food you're less picky.

The only thing you can do, is to invite him for dinner after any incident. After being sick, or operated on, you lost calories, and you need those. Have him eat, and good luck. If you ever need me, I'll always be on CP.

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Mike Hankey27-Jul-21 11:51

Mike Hankey

27-Jul-21 11:51

Hope they fixed whatever was wrong.

Have had kidney stones twice and had to take Morphine, without it I wouldn't have made it.

The less you need, the more you have.

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Eddy Vluggen27-Jul-21 12:34

27-Jul-21 12:34

Mike Hankey wrote:
Hope they fixed whatever was wrong.

Somewhat, but not permanently. The surgeon at the time was a cool 20 something, explaining how she cut out the bad part.

Mike Hankey wrote:
Have had kidney stones twice and had to take Morphine, without it I wouldn't have made it.

Without it, you'd have passed out.

Happened a few times. Always scares the sh*t out of people, so you don't want to.

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Mycroft Holmes27-Jul-21 12:54

Mycroft Holmes

27-Jul-21 12:54

Good luck Eddy, never having suffered (touch wood) that much pain and therefore never having needed that much relief I can only sympathise with your plight. Stay strong and make sure you have a support network to help.

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Eddy Vluggen27-Jul-21 13:03