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Just Sometimes?
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When MS is on form, they do sterling work: some of it is genuinely the best in it's class.
Unfortunately, they don't know what it is they are good at, and they can't admit they were wrong c=and "undo" a mistake, not matter how huge.
But the Win 11 rollout is just stupid: when you try to install don't blame the PC for the problem, tell people why it's a problem so they know not to waste time trying to work out what in the compatibility list they have missed. Repeatedly ... 
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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OriginalGriff wrote: when you try to install don't blame the PC for the problem, tell people why it's a problem so they know not to waste time
Their upgrade advisor sees my machine is part of a domain, and therefore dutifully tells me it's "managed by your system administrator", so it refuses to just run and tell me whether the hardware supports what's needed.
I can't be arsed to have it leave the domain, even if just temporarily, to re-run the test.
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I had to work with Microsoft products for decades, and I can tell you they often have issues so big that they know of for years and don't fix you won't believe. It's like your car vendor will give your car with 3 wheels instead of 4 and kind-of get away with it.
For instance Outlook mobile does not sync folders except for inbox and you miss emails unless you manually sync those folders yourself every 5 minutes
MS Teams for instance will generate notifications for all your messages on all your devices, regardless you read them on your PC, also if you did not open teams on your phone for 1 week, you will get all notifications for every one of hundreds of messages you chat on your PC. How obvious it is it shouldn't be like that, did they never used whatsapp?
And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity.
...well I guess nobody is perfect, maybe not even close to perfect, regardless how big they are...
Alex C. D.
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Alex C. Duma wrote: And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity.
Not to whatever "The only apps I use are Edge and Outlook" PM who rammed the change down everyone else's throat.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Yup. My system has no TPM 2.0 and the processor is on the verboten list, but their test tells me that.
OTOH, the developer evaluation virtual machine installed without fanfare or whining.
Times out in a couple of months but allows me to check what I want to check. Maybe they will do another.
I have updated a W10 system installing a virtual TPM chip (not really necessary) and setting the registry entry workaround to 1. But, I wouldn't depend on that. Probably have to spring for a new system one of these days, this one is vintage 2014.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Mine didn't either, but I was reluctant to bin it as it was working fine - but then the LAN side of things went bad, and seems to be affecting the WiFi as well (works fine for twenty or so seconds, then the transfer speed drops to dial up even local to my NAS).
So I decided to bite the bullet and found a new-old-stock i7-9700 and Asrock MicroATX motherboard going at a reasonable price which would take a TPM2 plug in module (though the processor is on the OK list)
And I don't like working on the latest kit - I think it gives you a false impression of how your software will work on a real-world machine like users probably have. If it runs fine on my older generation kit while I'm working on it, I can be sure that users won't complain about speed, at least.
Haven't given it a serious workout yet (reinstalling GTAV @ 105GB download is taking long enough) but it seems noticeably "smoother" than the i5 3330 it replaced. Double the cores probably helps! 
Damn sight cheaper than a "whole new system" of similar spec, anyway.
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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You right ponders make sense at times. We left ponders tend to avoid that. 
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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We right ponders had noticed that about some of you left ponders!
But then, we have our own set of nutjobs as well ...
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I think your old pal Winnie, said something like "you can always depend on the USA to do the right thing. But only after they have tried everything else".
Trying times. Alas, I remember a lot of it. All the WWII vets I knew are gone now. Met one at the VA, a couple of months ago, who is 103. I think he is still among us.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Yesterday, the last living WWII veteran died at the age of 112. The World War II museum, in New Orleans, plans to put up a plaque to memorialize him. By all accounts, he was a genuinely nice person.
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How do you classify a WWII veteran? I know someone who is a mere 102 who served in the British Navy in WWII.
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So, ghost Your hdd and select a clean install.
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11
Honestly that was your first mistake. I'm a Linux guy.
I can't do a clean install
So what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over? Install 10 and then upgrade to 11 again?
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Memtha wrote: I'm a Linux guy.
I'm sorry to hear that. Have you tried getting a cream from the doctor?
Memtha wrote: what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over?
Restore from backup if it does - Win 10 has been running on this machine pre-upgrade for years and has never once "crapped out". If I recall correctly, it started as Win XP, upgraded to retail Win 7, upgraded to Win 10, upgraded graphics card a couple of times, upgraded to SSD, upgraded the case and PSU, upgraded to a i5 motherboard, now upgraded to an i7 MB - and it still hasn't failed or BSODed once.
That's why I wanted to clean install though - that's a heck of a lot of upgrades and they can leave a lot of mess around over the years.
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Restore from backup if it does
Yes, assuming that either recovery manager works correctly or windows-controlled bios lets you boot from a foreign installation media.
started as Win XP, upgraded to retail Win 7, upgraded to Win 10
Sounds like you've been lucky. Don't get me wrong, windows can be made to work with some effort, I still have a win 7 dualboot (modified to boot from nvme) for those two applications that don't work correctly in wine or vms. Still, all 5 of the win 10 boxes I have the misfortune of managing for work and family have been afflicted by routine crashes, usually within one week of the initial install. I won't bore you with details. Still, all the windows versions you mentioned are the "good ones"; every other version is stable. No 2k, vista or 8. 11 is the next unstable, especially this early in its lifecycle. I'm calling it right now; your issues are just beginning. Your own experience with an unusable installer should really be a red flag that you should wait at least a few months if not for windows 12 (or w/e they name the next one).
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I had similar problems. This PC, 1.5 years old, couldn't run Windows 11. Because of some pdm2 or something hardware security reason.
Simply went into the BIOS and turned it on. And PC Check App told me I was ready to go, but Windows Update kept telling me I couldn't   
However.. wait a few days, and then Windows Update finally realized that I could after all! 
And it finally came around December 20, I am on Windows 11 now!
Initially I was a little upset with the round corners and the fact that my taskbar is locked at the bottom!
But now I am used to it all, and already bored and waiting for Windows 12!  
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Windows 3, 3.1, 3.11 BSODs reined supreme
Windows 95 An improvement
Windows 98 & 98SE Pretty decent
Windows ME Sucked
Windows XP Really Good
Windows Vista Totally sucked
Windows 7 The crowed went wild.
Windows 8 & 8.1 Blurk
Windows 10 Had extremely minimal issues with it.
Windows 11 Dunno yet.
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Windows 11 is a bit like Windows 8.
I prefer to wait until next Summer when Microsoft will release Windows 11.1 to fix all the beta issues
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Check secure boot in BIOS. DIY machine? Install the default keys in BIOS. Maybe CPU TPM is preferred by W11?
You will not loose anything without W11. It is yet another round of 90+% MS thinks there is something they have to learn from 10-% Apple. Especially on the productivity front. W11 is aesthetic uselessness like OSX is.
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Peter Adam wrote: You will not loose anything without W11
I know. But ... my Surface auto updated, and since support for Win10 will end in 2025 and I'll have to update before then, this seemed like the perfect time to bit the bullet - a clean install on new hardware!
If I don't do that, then I'll get a Win 10 upgraded to Win11 and I'm trying to avoid that.
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