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In my childhood (the Norwegian variant), grammar and spelling rules were generally considered 'prescriptive': They laid down absolute, non-negotiable rules that had to be obeyed, come rain or come shine.

Every language changes, especially spoken language. So in my childhood, we more or less had two different languages: The written language, as it was written by our grandparents (we had new spelling norm in 1917), and a significantly different spoken language that we used in all everyday talking.

Since then, the official language policy of Norway has changed significantly. The standard is now far more 'descriptive', documenting how the language is, rather than how great-grandparents think that it ought to be. In a changing language, new words are adopted, and when the usage is high enough, it is accepted into the standard dictionaries. Often, in the period of adoption, there has been alternate spellings; when accepted as a 'Norwegian' word, the spelling closes to traditional Norwegian spelling rules is selected for the dictionary as the recommended spelling.

Sometimes, the spelling of well known words are 'modernized', typically with old imported words that retains their non-Norwegian spelling for a generation before a Norwegian style spelling creeps in. For a while, the dictionary will show both spelling as alternates, and a few years later, only the Norwegian style is left in.

Right now (I think today) the dictionary editorial board is voting whether the pronoun 'hen' shall be accepted as official Norwegian: When you refer to someone that may be of either sex, you may have to say 'he or she' ('han eller hun' in Norwegian). In Finish, there is no sex specific pronoun, you refer to 'hen' even if it definitely is a male, or a female. So should 'hen' be accepted in Norwegian as well? It has been used for a few years, but not found in the dictionary. Most likely it is considered proper Norwegian from now on.

All these cries about how bad it is (in English) to verb nouns, to simplify spelling, to use another word than the 'correct' one ... they set me back to my grandparents - and everyone else of that generation - complaining about how the True, Correct, Proper Norwegian is being ruined completely by the way young people speak. Another side: My grandparent generation never wanted a Norwegian like their grandparents wrote/spoke it. Everyone fighting for a 'proper' language, want to stick to the language they learned when they were school kids themselves.

English is no different. You want an English the way educated people wrote/spoke it fifty years ago - not the way they wrote/spoke it a hundred and fifty years ago.

I am happy that we in Norway/Norwegian are through that stage of every natural language evolvement being condemned as something that ruins The Pure, Proper Language. I like that the 'Språkrådet' (Norwegian Language Council) makes an effort to adapt forms that follow established Norwegian rules for reflecting pronunciation, and different word forms (e.g. using Norwegian plural suffices rather than the English '-s'); I don't want the language to be a mess with thousands of exceptions.

Trying to stop a language from evolving is futile.
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