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Re: Does listening to certain types of music help you get in the zone?

Nelek13-May-24 8:58

Nelek

13-May-24 8:58

If I am learning... nothing.

If I am "just" working... yes.
Mainly no singing, about the type it might be electronic, it might be epic, it might be chill out, it might be white noise... It depends on the day and the mood.

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Re: Does listening to certain types of music help you get in the zone?

Jeremy Falcon13-May-24 10:00

Jeremy Falcon

13-May-24 10:00

Brian C Hart wrote:
Do you personally think there is any merit to those studies, such as this one[^], this one[^], and this one[^], that seem to indicate in the affirmative?

Interestingly enough, not for coding. But, certain types of music can get me in the zone for working out. Then again, I don't really listen to music when coding as I want to "hear" my mind think. Working out is the exact opposite where music is a necessity.

Keep in mind I didn't click your links, but the mind works in associations with everything. Music may be one catalyst but associations are the root cause. If someone associated eating chocolate cake with coding then that would get them in the zone. So any study that simply looks at music alone is missing the actual picture.

Now, music can be a powerful association of course. A very powerful one, for reasons that would totally derail this chat. But the root is associations so the point I'm stressing here is they need to see the whole picture.

Jeremy Falcon

modified 13-May-24 16:12pm.

Re: Does listening to certain types of music help you get in the zone?

Richard Andrew x6413-May-24 10:06

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13-May-24 10:06

Jeremy Falcon wrote:
someone associated eating chocolate cake with coding

Mmmm...Donuts.

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Re: Does listening to certain types of music help you get in the zone?

Kschuler13-May-24 10:18

Kschuler

13-May-24 10:18

Mainly classical or stuff with no words to distract me. I do like video game soundtracks as they usually have some kind of motivating quality in them.

Re: Does listening to certain types of music help you get in the zone?

PIEBALDconsult13-May-24 15:20

PIEBALDconsult

13-May-24 15:20

Ever since I began programming in the 80s I have listened to the Smiths primarily. Today, I had Ramones and the Clash playing as well.

Re: Does listening to certain types of music help you get in the zone?

Shao Voon Wong13-May-24 15:31

Shao Voon Wong

13-May-24 15:31

Listening to music helps when I am in the mood. I listen to music 1 hour per day.

But dealing with complex bugs or writing complex code dealing with different libraries or subsystems, I prefer not to listen to music as I need the full concentration.

modified 14-May-24 0:01am.

Re: Does listening to certain types of music help you get in the zone?

honey the codewitch13-May-24 16:10

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13-May-24 16:10

I typically code without music. If I do listen music there can't be lyrics that are pronounced enough for me to want to listen to them because it gets distracting.

So when I'm creating I tend to stick to jazzy drum and bass electronic music from the 90s and early aughts because it's simultaneously soothing and motivating. If I'm really in the zone already I might put on some breakcore.

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Collection of "skip to main content" & request

raddevus13-May-24 4:22

raddevus

13-May-24 4:22

I've created a compilation of the "Skip To Main Content" images hosted on my web site (so there are no ads or anything when you view the images) - at the bottom of this post.

UPDATE - Just got 2 more Google Drive, and Oreilly books (see images below)

My Discoveries
1. I thought maybe this was only occurring on Brave browser but I have now seen it in MS Edge also.
2. I'm running Ubunut 22.04.4 LTS (maybe this only happens in browsers running on Linux)
3. This "feature" occurs when you've

a. scrolled a bit down a page
b. switch to another tab
c. return to the original page that you scrolled down a bit on.
d. only occurs if the target web site has the "skip to main content" HTML included.

Request
If you've ever seen this "feature" can you please post back and let me know?
I really despise this "feature".
It basically offers no help and I don't believe the front-end devs who implement it really understand what it is supposed to do. It's supposed to help, not require more button clicks.

StackOverflow when running Brave browser
https://newlibre.com/assets/skipToMainContent_SO.png[^]

Microsoft docs when running Brave browser
https://newlibre.com/assets/skiptocontent_ms.png[^]

Github when running MS Edge browser
https://newlibre.com/assets/SkipToMainContent_github.png[^]

Wall Street Journal running MS Edge
https://newlibre.com/assets/skipToMainContent_wsj.png[^]

Google Drive on MS Edge
https://newlibre.com/assets/skiptomaincontent_googledrive.png[^]

Oreilly.com Books on MS Edge
https://newlibre.com/assets/skiptomaincontent_oreilly.png[^]

modified 13-May-24 14:00pm.

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

Chris Maunder13-May-24 4:58

Chris Maunder

13-May-24 4:58

This doesn't happen on CodeProject? (yay us)

cheers
Chris Maunder

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

raddevus13-May-24 7:01

raddevus

13-May-24 7:01

Chris Maunder wrote:
This doesn't happen on CodeProject?

It doesn't happen on CP and I'm really glad. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

It's a very strange feature that some have implemented (before they even understand how it should be used).

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

Rohit Teja Maddula13-May-24 5:52

Rohit Teja Maddula

13-May-24 5:52

Skip to content

It allows users to bypass the navigation menu and go directly to the main content of a page. These links are useful for users who only use the keyboard or who use a screen reader. This is not a useless feature. They make your website more navigable, particularly for keyboard-only and screen-reader users.

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

Jeremy Falcon13-May-24 6:05

Jeremy Falcon

13-May-24 6:05

Rohit Teja Maddula wrote:
particularly for keyboard-only and screen-reader users

A screen reader already knows the main content, if the web dev properly uses semantics. If they don't, then chances are they won't for this feature.

If you look at the OP mentioning what it takes to trigger this feature, then the user already needs to (in all likelihood) scroll past the main content first, which would negate any usefulness for this from an accessibility perspective for a blind person.

Might help the keyboard user though when tab cycling as space bar or page down won't change the tab focus.

Jeremy Falcon

modified 13-May-24 12:24pm.

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

raddevus13-May-24 7:03

raddevus

13-May-24 7:03

I (could) agree. Except, why is it occurring for me? I don't use a screen-reader or keyboard-only.

I think it _could_ be a useful feature, if used properly.
However, it only causes me to have more keyboard touching and mouse clicking.
Not helpful.

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

Nelek13-May-24 9:00

Nelek

13-May-24 9:00

raddevus wrote:
I think it _could_ be a useful feature, if used properly.

Next pal at the side of the goto's?

M.D.V.

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

Jeremy Falcon13-May-24 5:50

Jeremy Falcon

13-May-24 5:50

I've never seen that (on GH/GHE at least) using...

Firefox => Ubuntu
Firefox => Windows
Chrome => Windows
Lynx => CP/M (kidding)

Just tried it on Edge on Windows for poops and giggles and nothing. You got some sorta plugin installed?

Jeremy Falcon

Re: Collection of "skip to main content" & request

raddevus13-May-24 7:06

raddevus

13-May-24 7:06

No, definitely not a plugin. I hadn't seen this feature ever either and then I started seeing it in Brave. I actually quit using Brave and switched to Edge to get away from this feature.

Alas, I've now seen it in Edge.

Again, it is a weird set of circumstances to make it occur so that's why I'm interested in knowing if others have seen it.

Also, I've checked the Accessibility options on my Ubuntu settings and I don't see anything that would indicate that it should use this Accessibility feature.

Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

OriginalGriff13-May-24 2:45

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13-May-24 2:45

I always thought he was a theoretical physicist.

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Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

Mike Hankey13-May-24 2:54

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13-May-24 2:54

It's all relative.

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Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

Gary Stachelski 202113-May-24 3:06

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13-May-24 3:06

Depends on your frame of reference.

Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

CPallini13-May-24 3:07

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13-May-24 3:07

Re~~lativistic~~ Post.[^]

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Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

Nelek13-May-24 9:01

Nelek

13-May-24 9:01

I thought that was the job of Piebald Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

raddevus13-May-24 4:24

raddevus

13-May-24 4:24

OriginalGriff wrote:
I always thought he was a theoretical physicist.

CP Editors should include a "groan" emoji for response to these type of messages. Laugh | :laugh:

Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

Greg Utas13-May-24 6:15

Greg Utas

13-May-24 6:15

There are "roll eyes" and "not amused" emojis, which I've seen some people use for that kind of reaction.

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Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

dandy7213-May-24 7:52

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13-May-24 7:52

Greg Utas wrote:
"not amused" emojis

I must've missed that one. Or has that been Grumpy Cat all along?

Re: Did you know that Albert Einstein was a real person?

Greg Utas13-May-24 10:10

Greg Utas

13-May-24 10:10

There's also an "angry" emoji, which I recall seeing a few times in response to a joke.

And I think someone asked for a "coat" emoji after I'd cut and pasted one as a reply.

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