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Yes it is worth it, not only for financial and career progression, but for the knowledge gained, which of course ebenfits the former. Mine has certainly gotten me in the door and the knowledge and experience gained has kept me there.
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The problem that reduces the value of MS ertificates is that many people just memorize the Braindumps and testking etc.
then the pass MCAD/MCSD/MCSE in a very short time
while they did ont apply the knowledge required to pass the exam.
anyway..these Certificates still deserve to think about..But for your own benifit, be honest to yourself and study and apply well before thinking about passing the exam.
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Do u have any link that would give the dumps for MCSD.net??
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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It is straight and simple. Get the exams passed (by SOME means), but have your knowledge about development very sharp...
Having 10 months of experience is better for that matter try MCAD... if you are still in the learning process after that and your financial status if fine... complete your MCSD. AS far as I know...
MCAD + some exams = MCSD
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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It will get you in the door for interview at some companies. Others are not fussed.
I did my MCAD last year and I'm upgrading soon (read as soon as I've passed the final exam) to MCSD. I'm doing it the good old fasioned way of studying. And on 4 exams I passed first time... The Solutions Architecture exam I'm finding more difficult.  and I failed it the first time round. I will be re-taking it soon though.
There are a number of ways to do this. You can get the books and pay for just the exams which is the cheapest way, or you can go on training courses (which is more expensive). If you can get your company to pay for it then that's the best. If you're working for a Microsoft partner then they should jump at the chance to get you qualified.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
--Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
You can get the books and pay for just the exams which is the cheapest way
I am trying this method
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The Solutions Architecture exam I'm finding more difficult. and I failed it the first time round. I will be re-taking it soon though.
Oh boy, dont scare me... I have also made that exam as a last in my list
I was born intelligent
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I wouldn't stop at an MCAD. Get the full MCSD. Its worth it. Its helped open doors for me that would be shut if I didn't have it.
I would get the books and spend the extra on the transcender practice tests. They are a huge aid in studying for these tests.
Good luck
J
MCSD C#
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I have been a network engineer for about 2 1/2 years now. I was unable to find any type of development job when I graduated college. I have been out since December 2001. I am frustrated because I have been on only a few interviews. I have looked on all types of sites and paper.....I guess I am really frustrated and looking for some advice.
Thanks everyone 
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Join the club, admission is free!
Matthew Hazlett
Windows 2000/2003 MCSE
Never got an MCSD, go figure...
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believe me you will get bored about that as well in few years.. you career should ideally contain few yrs or dev, few yrs of testing...all stages of SDLC.. but with constant updates about latest technologies
what is windows?
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dancingbaby wrote:
but with constant updates about latest technologies
dancingbaby wrote:
what is windows?
 
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 well that was my signature 
what is windows?
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He intially stated he was a network engineer. Why would he need the SDLC (Software Development Life Cycle) ??? Just curious!
Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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If you guys would have to make an educated guess what would you say the going rate for a Jr. Programmer is now days? From what I have gathered the average is about 46K . Any response is appreciated. Thanks.
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I have one jr developer now that isn't worth a nickle.
It depends on the skills and area. C/C++ pay more than VB.
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ok well i develop in C# mainly and everyone has been pleased with my work thus far. Now knowing that what kind of range are we talking about on an average?
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Also depends on what part of the country you're in. I live in South Carolina and there's about $10K difference from the city I'm in and a nearby city (30 minutes apart). Not only that but salaries go up another $10k or more just another hour and a half down the road. It all comes down to industry... of the three cities the one with the largest average salary is of course the one with the most technology.
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Er, and what country...
I hate to mention this, but there's a small (but growing) group of countries across that big stretch of water known as the Atlantic Ocean, for instance, and within even a small country (ok, a collective group: The United Kingdom), there are variances.
Typical developer salaries in the Midlands are considerably lower than those paid a hundred miles further south.
Don't sites like DICE carry salary surveys or something?
Steve S
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Hehe, I earn less than $8000 per year being a Jr. programmer as you called it. I have rich experience in C++ and UML design.
Its Russia.
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Well, that kind of reinforces my point.
There was an outcry in the UK about the fact that companies outsourced stuff to India, for instance. Employment costs in India are generally lower than in the UK. Firstly, because of the relative differences in costs of living, and secondly, we have legislation which means it's not an advantage to be an employer!
Then, allegedly, some of the Indian outsourcing companies began to complain, because they were being undercut by China - a case of the biter bit.
Luckily, my best customers don't want the lowest price - they want *me* to visit them, collect their requirements, quote them a price and delivery time, and then stick to it - they know they could get something cheaper elsewhere, but they want the warm feeling they get from being able to call with a bug report or a feature request on a Friday afternoon, and know that (unless I've told them otherwise), they'll have some kind of resolution or quote for implementation by Tuesday at the latest.
YMMV.
Steve S
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you know the point is software industries is a knowledge based company, If you are very good vc++ programmer (may be the best) in India he will be cheaper by may be 10 times. So the customers look for the cheaper and equally compitative people in India.
and no doubt there are very good developers in India.
regards.
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No doubt there are , just as there are very good developers everywhere. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Just because a few hundred years ago most of the map 'belonged' to the UK (in a 'possession is nine points' kind of way, not in any real or moral sense) doesn't mean that we're all still wandering around bemoaning the fact that the world isn't grateful to have been British. I think letting the colonies have their 'independence' was a fine idea - you don't think we lost the American War Of Independence by accident, do you 
[Only kidding guys, some of my friends are (OK, ... were ..) American.
I understand the economic arguments involved well enough, and the company I'm still working for (but only just, particularly given how I feel today!) has an outsourcing operation somewhere thereabouts.
Consumers/Customers should have freedom of choice - if I want to pay someone less to do the job, I should be able to, but sadly, many governments think this is wrong. My own has laws (which are frequently circumvented) about minimum wage levels; it also has punitive taxes (although they are not always called 'tax') which mean that it is less economic to have employees, so smaller companies are hit quite hard. There is the employer's National Insurance contributions which must be paid, plus a whole slew of other 'employee benefits', such as paternity leave, which impact on the performance of the business as a whole. (Before anyone points out that paternity leave is unpaid, bear in mind that the employer has to continue doing whatever they do while the employee is off bonding with their spouse and new-born).
Inevitably, this pushes costs up, which pushes prices up, which makes bean-counters think "Hmmm, we can outsource this and increase our take". Before you know where you are, companies like Dyson (the cyclone vacuum cleaner, two-drum washing machine) move manufacturing out of the UK, and people complain that you can't buy locally made goods, and it's unpatriotic.
Of course, the UK tends to be less protectionist than some other (previously mentioned) countries, but that's because even our politicians can't argue in favour of full commitment to the EU and single monetary system on the one hand, and put up trade barriers on the other (but hey, if they were brighter, they'd be even more dangerous!)
There are good and bad developers everywhere there are developers.
Of course, it goes without saying that CP has more than it's fair share of the former
Steve S
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Russia russie rozn. Moskva vs other
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http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_IT10000010.html
Perhaps this could be useful. Though I find that salary ranges vary widly with the companies and locations.
J
MCSD C#
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