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Oh, bless the NHS is all I can say!  what is the general US view of Obama, he seems to be less for want of a better word "more reasonable", than Bush...
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Obama is more reasonable than Bush? omfg. 
damn, I need to clean the coffee of my monitor.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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OK, but he the view I got was Bush was very focused on the US, Obama does know the outside world exists 
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Haha. Yes Bush was (So?) and Obama knows the outside world exists? Just wow.
How do you like the expanded NSA surveillance program? How about them drone strikes? Yes, Bush started some of this, but Obama hasn't done a damn thing worthy of his Peace Prize. He is nothing more than a poster child of the left.
for the record, most of the things Bush did raised my blood pressure as well. If you really want to cause my BP to spike, ask me about the thief Harry Reid.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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One other thing - Bush was the US President. Why would he NOT be focused on the US?
I'm missing something I am sure....
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Woah!, slow down, didn't mean cause offense to any one! It's just as the super-power of the 20th Century standing, I would have thought it would be in there own interest  ,
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No offense taken, your comment just surprised me. Yes, we're the last remaining superpower (for the time being). Power derives from economic production. We spent the USSR into oblivion, and now we cannot get our spending under control. Draw your conclusion.
I mean, do you REALLY want a US President that voted Present most of the time in the Senate? It's bad enough we inflict idiots upon ourselves, why would the world want it? lol
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I do think I really need to find out more about the US system of government (my company does a lot of business there, the boss is an AGM this week). The UK we have one tool as PM, to be replace by another on a regular basis. The opposition does not seem to offer a difference, as soon as they get in it seems to be more of the same  . I mean the Badger cull, supposed to kill 2000 locally we got 500 ("as the badgers moved the goal posts"?WTF), which can't be tested for bovine TB, which why they were shot. Or was it to keep farmers happy? One sterling example of why I don't trust those in power.
Glenn.
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"Why I don't trust those in power..."
That Sir, will get my to buy you a beer or three. We agree.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Matter of interest did you hear of the Badger cull your side of the pond?
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Actually I vaguely recall seeing some headline somewhere..... Didn't read it though
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Lucky you, that's all you seem to get in this part of the country!
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The main flaw with democracy is that those in power have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, when in power the only objective is to remain in power, when not in power the only objective is to get in power.
There is nothing to be gained by doing the right thing.
Whoever is in charge, therefore, is irrelevant.
Revolution is the only way to get any sort of change.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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ChrisElston wrote: Revolution is the only way to get any sort of change.
ChrisElston wrote: when not in power the only objective is to get in power.
Revolution: Someone not in power, wants to get in power and therefore to stay in power, having replaced one sunshine with another one? 
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And another thing...
When the NHS was introduced, the big selling point was that instead of 10% of the population paying for health care and the rest going unaided, 100% would be paying so the COST would be REDUCED.
It works.
speramus in juniperus
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Last I heard, the NHS's expenses were exploding... true or false? Not arguing, just comparing perspectives...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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True, too many old people, not enough youngster paying in!
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Government expenditure on NHS has remained roughly the same for the last 4 years or so (around 105 of your American billions for England), since it was started in 1948 expenditure has risen about 10 fold.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Question - where do your government elites go for healthcare?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: Question - where do your government elites go for healthcare?
Well as those currently at the top of the government are lizard people, they have their own fleet of space vets to keep them healthy.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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speramus in juniperus
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If you can, you go private. Even with private it is often more expedient to use the NHS; as my brother did when his brain started rotting.
speramus in juniperus
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I get private healthcare (BUPA) through work, but I have no idea how to use it, so I've kept with the NHS for the 4 or 5 years I've had it.
Been in hospital for treatment probably about a dozen times in that time, a couple of operations, numerous physio sessions.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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I admit to having no idea what went on over there (except that so much misinformation was given by all sides that it's doubtful that even God knows what the truth is), but all they had to do is say: "This is how they do it in England/France/[pick a European country], and it works there, so let's do it like that".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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