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People are got enough (and much cleaner) air to inhale, need no thin air from Apple...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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There's 2 problems that the whole market kinda has in general, that for the manufactures are unfortunately conflicting.
- Smartphones are getting more expensive, so people can't afford to change them as frequently.
- They're running out of ideas for new features, it seems they've really taken a smartphone as far as it can go and they're just tinkering now.
Put them together, and users don't really have a reason or the enthusiasm to spend $700 to upgrade, and it looks that with the iPhone7, apple have failed to make the case to upgrade. If you've got the 6, or the 6s, you're going to look at the 7 a think, well the 6 seems fast enough, the camera is good enough for general photo's, and either you've not dropped it in water yet as it's still working, or you're insurance has replaced it if you have [and the premiums are no doubt cheaper than upgrading to a 'water resistant' phone].
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I think that it's pretty safe to say that the winio debacle has left a sour taste in many people's mouths, so any computer company that starts (or continues, in apple's case) making moronic marketing claims will catch more flak for it that usual.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Aaaargh, can't resist the bait any longer....
<interlude>
Yes, well spotted.
The only smartphone that could excite me at the moment, would have its battery time measured in days instead of hours.
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As expected, I think much of the hate comes from the Microsoft Mobile and Android faithful. The former have finally accepted that their platform of choice is well and truly dead. The latter has seen no real improvement to their fragmentation and security problems and the Samsung Note 7 debacle makes them feel vulnerable. Bashing Apple is a knee jerk reaction that helps their egos.
As for the Apple faithful... the iPhone 7 (like all new smartphones) is an evolution not a revolution. A couple nice features but not a sea change. There will always be the fanboys who get every new iDevice but for most people they'll wait until they actually need something. I think the industry calls it market maturity.
The one exception - Much of the media (for click bait reasons) and all of the haters are going ballistic over the death of the 3.5 mm headphone jack - much like they did when Apple killed floppy disks, optical media and Flash. Give it a year or two and everyone will rejoice and say things like "Remember when we used those old wired earbuds? Damn did they suck!".
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Imagine that... people in tech arguing, hating something for no good reason, and taking sides like cliques in high school. Never would've seen that one coming. 
Jeremy Falcon
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I've finally decided to stop relying on the super cheapo dumbphone for my mobile phone needs, and get a real smart phone. I am a world traveler, so it needs to be compatible all over the world, or at least in Europe (all, from Russia to Iceland) and Anglo North America (USA & Canada). I think this means that it has to be "unlocked", which is important with some phones in the USA, as they tend to be "locked", which sounds incredibly ridiculous to me, but then again the USA corporations have far too much power over the consumer, so I can see how the smartphone market is as ridiculous as the Rx market. If it matters for Europe vs. USA, I'd prefer to have the compatibility with Europe, and I'll just continue using my dumbphone in the USA.
I want to be able to use it for minimal websites, most notably Uber & Lyft and Skype, perhaps Yahoo! Mail & Google Maps. I also want it to be able to take a photo and play audio/video (FLAC, MP3, MP4, FLV, etc.), with the standard audio out jack, and have a slot for a micro SDHC. As for other apps, I'd like to be able to view & scroll a PDF or DJVU file, and play chess.
I understand that it is better to have a real keyboard instead of a touchboard since I've heard that the latter typically doesn't work well, so I'd like to have that. So far, I have only owned mobile phones with keys, LOL, so I don't know how bad they are.
As for the operating system, I'm open, although *true* compatibility with Windows 10 would be helpful, although if I were limited to Windows 8, I'd rather not go Windows at all, as that is a horrid OS. At the very least I want to be able to move files between my Windows 10 notebook system and the smartphone. I guess Android is pretty much the open default of smartphones, but I've heard a lot of bad things about its security.
As for battery charging, it's been my unfortunate experience with mobile phones that they all seem to have a proprietary charge specs and it's difficult to find a replacement charging adapter; of course, this could be because I keep using a mobile phone for years, well past its commercial obsolesence.
As for the size, I'd like for it to be as large as possible (to make the video & PDF app resolution as high possible) that could still comfortable fit in a jeans front pocket. I have no idea how big this should be, although I guess I will play around with some cardboard to figure out what is the optimal size. I'd also like it to be a standard enough size that it will be easy to buy a case for it.
Aside from all this, I'd like to be as rugged as possible. Also important would be ease & cost of simple repair like changing the screen or battery (which seem to be the 2 things I have been mostly fixing with my notebooks), including being able to buy such replacement parts at a typical electronics store in a major city. Oh, and most importantly, not too expensive! If there is a good model that is a lot less expensive than another model that is easier to fix, well then simply buying a new cheap one would be preferable.
I've been looking around Amazon for smartphones, and I am totally lost as to what to look for, and completely overwhelmed by the amount of choice in the market. For some reason, the notebook & tablet market seems to much easier to discern - or at least I've been comfortable buying hardware that tends toward a good value, and generally have been pleased. For Wintel notebooks, there doesn't seem to be a very high price differential between the top of the line and the cheapest, once the specs have been normalized. However, it seems that this is not the case for smartphones as the price differential is much larger. I'd hate to pay too much for a phone simply because of FUD.
So I think I've covered everything. Any good website or newbs would be helpful as well.
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TL;DR.
swampwiz wrote: As for the operating system, I'm open, although *true* compatibility with Windows 10 would be helpful,
You lost me there. Are you saying you want a Windows phone?
I use a Google Nexus 5 (Android) phone for development and love it. I strongly recommend it, unless you want to go the iOS/Windows route.
/ravi
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Member 12733523 wrote: Apple is the phone of choice for Terrorists and Child Mosletors[^] You dont want that to be you, do you?
While I personally don't use Apple products, I think that this statement is ridiculous.
Going by your logic, I could deduce that terrorists and child molesters also wore pants. Would that mean you won't wear pants?
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If they were pants that were specifically designed to hide information from the public authorities working day and night to ensure another 9/11 never happens... If the pants manufacturer specifically denied the FBI the critical assistance they needed to solve a terror incident on United States soil... Then of course I and every other person who upholds the values that have made America great, would not buy them.
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Nurse! NURSE! He's out of bed again!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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To paraphrase something one of USA founders once supposedly said ...
"He who is willing to sacrifice privacy for (perceived) safety, deserves neither and will lose both"
modified 19-Nov-18 21:01pm.
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DNFTT
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Member 12733523 wrote: If you want a phone that has to install updates EVERY DAY,
then pick Android
WOW! That's funny. I have an android phone like 4 years... Didn't bothered me with updates at all... It still runs gingerbread with great success...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It's ORT again...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I lack the ability to identify ORT... Sorry... 
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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In this case the "@" address is a BIG clue! 
Go: get yourself some more ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Member 12733523 wrote: If you want a phone that has to install updates EVERY DAY,
What an interesting thing to say, given a fact that lack of updates seems to be one of the biggest complaints people have with Android 
modified 19-Nov-18 21:01pm.
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Quote: compatibility with Windows 10 would be helpful
Why. There is only one kind of such phone - Windows Phone! So your choices are cut to 7% percent of the whole...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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That said, my Lumina 950 and my wife's Lumina 1520 are both just fine. I do generally need to restart the 950 (I think Windows Hello has issues) every few days or wifi gets funky. Despite that it's much more stable than any android I've owned.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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If you want a keyboard pone, then your only option is the BlackBerry Priv.
I do have a Samsung Galaxy S7 now and I'm extremely happy with it.
Having a SDCard is a must have to store pictures there and being able to recover deleted ones if some kind of problema happens (of course given you don't want to root your pone)...
If you want to sabe money then you should look for XIAOMI or any other chinese Brand, the oneplus is a great phone...
It all ends on the amount of money you want to spend.
if you are looking for a top tier phone then you should definitely look for the BB priv, S7, P9, OnePlus 3, Xiaomi Mi5, Apple...
if you are more on a Budget side, then you could go for a Huawei P9 Lite, Samsung galaxy A5...
You should definitely try to find a web page where bloggers speak of the different options out there. Some of them are not biased...
Good luck and enjoy your new phone...
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swampwiz wrote: it needs to be compatible all over the world
Mobile norms tend to differ in the world, so I do not think this is possible.
swampwiz wrote: it is better to have a real keyboard instead of a touchboard
Mmmh, no.
swampwiz wrote: to find a replacement charging adapte
Mmmh, no.
swampwiz wrote: I'd like for it to be as large as possible
Then go between 5 and 5,5"
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