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too true...
- first they tried hyping it,
- next was force feeding,
- then came baiting ('free now, later you pay' - which btw false if you have a valid 7/8 licence)
- then they tried sweetening ('10 can do this, 7 cant,' '10 is faster' - btw: it's not faster)
- then they tried scare ('10 will always be safe, 7 will fail')
- now they're bypassing the consumer and manipulating the physical/infra.
more than once they also suggested 'everyone has 10 except you' - but the stats proved (and still do) otherwise
This internet thing is amazing! Letting people use it: worst idea ever!
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In the long term I would not want to be so dependent on Mickeysoft's whims and bet my entire investment of time and money on them being reasonable.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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He can deal with that when the time comes. I still have XP running perfectly fine in VMs.
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I'd see if win10 drivers work the same for 7... Besides, the USB drivers should come with the motherboard and for them there is no manifacturer other than Asus and MSI - all the others are to be considered junk until proven otherwise. Video should come with its own board, integrated video is cool for a VGA only save-the-pc scenario.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: I'd see if win10 drivers work the same for 7
I've installed Vista drivers on 10, but the opposite might not necessarily be true. One may be able to edit .inf files and disable the driver signing check as needed, but that's when you start going down an unpleasant path.
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dandy72 wrote: that's when you start going down an unpleasant path.
I've been on that path since the days of Windows 95 
Having 10 at work I promise I'll do everything in my power to leave it as far as possible from my home machine.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I had to give in eventually. Even though I still think it's the ugliest version of Windows MS has ever allowed out the door.
While XP was derided for its "Fisher-Price UI", at least it still had "classic mode", so I had that as an option.
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UI isn't a problem, it's the instability over long times. It doesn't crash and burn but things stop working with no reason (happened twice, once the start/search button became unresponsive and once the task manager refused to show me a particular process, in this case it worked again after a reboot) and often only a system restore can fix it... plus it has issues with old software and I really want my old games to run natively if I can.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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No version of Windows has ever been flawless. I've seen everything you describe with every version since the early 90s, and (YMMV of course) I have no reason to believe 10 is any worse in that respect.
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Actually my experience with 7 has been very good so far, I have it since 2011 and it never failed, not on its own. I have Win10 since 5 months and I've already experienced many problems other than those I described, and I have the LTSB version - which lacks both Cortana and the Market - so it has even less failure points.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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It's no good. There is nothing to write a protocol of the meeting with.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Just use a generic agenda - as long as it has space for 5 hours of elephanting AOB no-one will ever notice the difference.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I hate it when I have that job, especially when everybody loves to hear himself talk, but is very careful to say nothing.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I'd hold back,
I hear they are going to include this as just one component of the upcoming Agile Suite.
likely would be cheaper (although more painful) to buy the whole suite rather than the parts individually.
(no guarantee the parts will fit together easily, bound to be more than a few weak and wobbly poorly/un-defined links.)
This internet thing is amazing! Letting people use it: worst idea ever!
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Just shown it to someone they now have a new wall paper! 
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Great idea! Get them started early because they are likely to have a lifetime of that nonsense to endure.
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Now looking forward to attending meetings barefoot.
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During a heat wave, one of my collagues came to work wearing nothing but a T-shirt and swimming briefs, speedo type. He even left his wrist watch at home.
Our boss sent him a note, telling that "It is marginally acceptable to come to work in T-shirt and speedos only. It is not acceptable to come to work in a T-shirt so long that there can be doubts whether you are wearing speedos or not."
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Fired. Or perhaps sacked. Probably has happened to most of us one time or another. Now I have read that the Romans literally sacked people as a form of punishment and execution (Poena cullei - Wikipedia[^]). Now I wonder. Does getting sacked really go back to this nice custom?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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No, it's 19th Century apparently: Google dictionary "Sacked"[^]
And I found this:Quote: Before the Industrial Revolution in Europe and the age of mass employment, people who needed work done and had the means to pay someone else to do it would hire workers with the skills to do specific jobs. These workers would carry the tools they needed for the job in a sack or in a bag made out of sacking. When the job was complete or when the employer no longer had any need for the services of a particular worker, he would hand him his sack. The worker would gather his tools together and put them in his sack and leave to find work elsewhere. Getting one’s sack back came to be associated with one’s services no longer being needed or being surplus to requirements. It has now passed into modern usage as an informal way of saying ‘to be dismissed’.
The origins of being Sacked, Fired & Laid Off - Adrian Fisher Ltd[^]
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Don't think so. The verb getting sacked, as in terminated from employment has etymological roots in Old English, but it is an interesting find.
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock.
In fact, I hate knocking.
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It originated from the early 1800's because of the feeling you got when you were fired. People described it as feeling like you were kicked in the nut sack.
The intensity of the feeling was more pronounced the more years you had been loyal to your employer.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: more pronounced the more years you had been loyal to your employer
Ye gods. My two best friends are going to be sent into low Earth orbit, since I've been at my current job 28 years in October  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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And it gets even more intense when they try everything to make you want to leave or dig out anything that could possibly serve as justification, just to get off a little cheaper. I remember working in a place where they tried over a year to get under my thick hide. Simply firing me would have been easier and cheaper for them.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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