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Yeah, the ease of building native exe is amazing.
Stuart Dootson wrote: I'm not so keen on Go. Mainly because of
Those are the main complaints I've heard elsewhere also. I wonder if it has quashed the interest in Go and if the language is already waning?
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Quote: This article also resonates with me...
That article is a really unfair comparison designed specifically to make Rust look good. It is a large bit of Rust hype that is mostly garbage.
1. The author complains about how changing permission bits in Go under Windows doesn't change anything on the NTFS filesystem, but then praises Rust for not being able to do it at all on *any* system.
2. The author complains that Go doesn't handle invalid filenames with broken UTF8, and praises Rust for handling that, except that Rust doesn't handle that on Windows anyway.
TLDR: When Go handles failures on Windows gracefully by doing the only sensible thing, the author complains that it is broken and praises the Rust way of doing it (breaking completely).
When Rust breaks down on Windows the author praises Rust for doing something halfway sensible, and complains that Go should match the Rust bug.
The article is not one of a fair comparison. A fair comparison would be performing each tested feature on both mentioned OSes and tabulating the result, NOT doing different "tests" for each language so that your preferred language looks better.
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No - the author is highlighting how he feels Go's design is slapdash and thrown together. Go presumes that all systems have Unix permissions - they don't. Rust presents portable functionality (is the file readonly?) in the common module, then also has a Unix specific module for full permissions.
I think it's highlighting a difference between attitudes - you say that Go "handles failures on Windows gracefully on Windows by doing the only sensible thing", whereas Rust "breaks completely". I, on the other hand, would see the only sensible thing as highlighting an error condition that needs to be handled, probably at a higher level of abstraction in the program.
I've written substantial programs in both Go and Rust. I have less confidence that the programs written in Go will handle unexpected situations gracefully.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Quote: I, on the other hand, would see the only sensible thing as highlighting an error condition that needs to be handled, probably at a higher level of abstraction in the program.
If that was at all a sensible choice, then WSL would have been stillborn. If that was a sensible way to go then git-bash wouldn't work on Windows.
Things that chose your "sensible" handling just wouldn't work. Things that didn't choose that "sensible" method work fine (git, WSL, cygwin, everything else that gets ported to Windows from Unix).
I do agree that it is a difference of attitude - the Go language aims for practical usability with as few warts as possible (hence their decision to not break on Windows). The Rust language appears to be aiming for perfection (a more charitable way of saying "Ivory tower Elitists"  but as we all know, perfection is the enemy of success.
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I'm reading the Go tour, so far it looks like C meets VB6 plus something grabbed here and there. It doesn't look half bad.
EDIT: Ah. I was rejoycing too soon. In 2020 a language that forces a particular style of indentation should be hanged, burned, shredded and used as cat litter.
This
func main()
{
sum := 0
for i := 0; i < 10; i++
{
sum += i
}
fmt.Println(sum)
}
won't work because it needs those braces at the end of the line: that's what happens when you make semicolons optional.
Also, apparently there is no while, only for. So much for readability.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
modified 7-Dec-20 13:00pm.
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Now if only you also learn Forth, you can go forth and do good!😂
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Looking what "interesting" you found in THE LANGUAGE, I feel you're barely experienced developer.
First of all, "easy to build to a native Exe" is not about language at all.
Second, Go is not smaller at all - compare clumsy Go syntax with C# for surprise.
3. "Receiving data from HTTP"? Serious? THAT what makes language better? No, it's not about language as in item 1 and it's question of good library. Many languages can read from socket, not a big deal.
4. Concurrency is not a PROBLEM< it's a task. Feel the difference! Task, which is not a bit harder than sorting or queueing.
But what is really bad is that language designers drop on you all low level rubbish to handle memory (instead of SIMPLIFYING your life as it done in C#!). You think you "control memory", but no... you just dig in low level details, what is FAR from your real business task.
That's why Go even with all Mozilla's money still "nothing", but a toy for students. This language never be mainstream, don't waste your time.
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> Quote:
That's why Go even with all Mozilla's money still "nothing", but a toy for students.
I think that if you don't even know which language you are bashing, your criticisms can be dismissed with "clueless".
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I know where I'm wrong - actually there is two "clumsy" languages which never rise - Go(from Google) and Rust(from Mozilla). Hardly I care which made by whom. They both are dead-born.
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I believe it is suited only for small to low medium projects. Not supporting OOP is a big limiter on the scope of the projects it supports, both in size and time. Also its best features (deferred routines, partial returns) are cool on paper, exceptional for small stuff, but try to put them in a pull request on my codebase and I will nuke it. They have the same long term issues of gotos, maintaining any codebase that uses extensively these features will quickly become everybody's nightmare.
It's a nice scripting language, but if I have to invest time and resources I will go for Python - slower, but much more likely to survive, much more supported and infinitely more reusable in other fields.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Wondering if there are as many learning Go as are learning Julia??
~d~
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From replies, I've learned that 0 people here at CP are learning Go.
Julia probably has just as many here. But it is probably less. 
Just kidding, of course. It's funny that you'll see lots of articles about languages like Go and Rust and how popular they are becoming and then when you ask people the only sound you get back are the crickets.
I wonder if it is true about Python too, because all the articles say, "Python is the only language being used anywhere at any time from now on." 
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why i like Go
Rob Pike, "Public Static Void"
Rob Pike - Simplicity is Complicated
and why i like Go more than Rust (and C more then Go)
C: 0.73 new features per year, measured by the number of bullet points in the C11 article on Wikipedia which summarizes the changes from C99, adjusted to account for the fact that C18 introduced no new features.
Go: 2 new features per year, measured by the number of new features listed on the Wikipedia summary of new Go versions.
C++: 11.3 new features per year, measured by the number of bullet points in the C++17 article which summarizes the changes from C++14.
Rust: 15 new features per year, measured by the number of headers in the release notes of major Rust versions over the past year, minus things like linters.
what this type of progress leads to is that you will have sort of like 2-3 languages into one language. i would call this language fragmentation.
now you can have a JavaScript programmer that only feels comfortable with post 2015+ coding style, but is afraid to go anywhere near the ECMAScript 5th Edition and below.
you have C++ programmers that are expert in ANSI/ISO 98 C++, but know nothing of C++17.
this things will only get worse.
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I've been setting up a combination paranormal cooking and music schools with the ghost of Louis Armstrong, and it's been going great.
But we were shopping for herbs on eBay and may have got a little carried away with the "Buy now" button.
Now I think we've bought too much[^]
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If you stick to music, you may be able to beat that.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Soon you'll be doing the moon walk.
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You mean like this[^]
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
JaxCoder.com
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Do alcoholics run in your family?
No they just stumble around and break stuff!
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
JaxCoder.com
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Yes, sadly I could not get any this year because of the lockdown, we are not permitted to travel to Belgium. So I just will have to do with some Dutch "Bock bier" 
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Never did develop a taste for bourbon, I think it is a yank thing. The whisky on the other hand is delightful. maker's mark whisky at DuckDuckGo[^]
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Who will be doing the A's for the Q's ? Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters. That, of course, leads me to this simulation:
Question: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start.
What I have tried: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start.
Answer 1: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. My solution was to post it at the CodeProject.com and ask for the answer, too.
Answer 2: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. I never got a posted reply to do any of my homework all semester, except this guy, Original Griff, and he'd tell me to do my own homework. so I failed the course. Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it.
In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change.
Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
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