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#realJSOP wrote: I'm not gonna criticize anyone else for doing that. It is, after all, theoretically a free country.
I thought the freedom includes the freedom to criticize. Or pointing out the bad taste of someone who makes Christmas cards with guns. You know, this was supposed to be celebrating the birthday of someone who had little to do with guns and violence.
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: this was supposed to be celebrating the birthday of someone who had little to do with guns and violence.
Maybe they didn't have guns back then, but he sure lived in violent times. Downright barbaric in fact.
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I never once said he couldn't criticize. However, foreigners opinions with regards to our Constitutional rights or how they're infringed carry no weight here (in the U.S.).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Amen! I would even go one more step and say that anything we write in this forum (except for programming stuff) carries very little weight. In my case, it's just a pastime for an old fart 
Mircea
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I just don't get it, not just because they're tools of war (while Christmas is about peace), but just because.
Especially a country's representative could just make a nice neutral Christmas picture, no?
It's holiday, not hobby-day, after all 
Anyway, you're right in that people should just do it if they want to (and face the consequences), but as a Dutchman I'm still entitled to my opinion on an American gun-holiday-picture on a Canadian programming website.
#realJSOP wrote: Maybe not in practice, but theoretically.
We're all equal, it's just that some people are more equal than others
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Sander Rossel wrote: I just don't get it, not just because they're tools of war (while Christmas is about peace),
No one ever gets peace without being willing to fight for it.
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I did.
And never been capable of fighting either. The reason for our prosperity is cooperation. 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Unless, you know, people wouldn't fight 
Our forefathers did a lot of fighting and as a result I never had to fight in my life.
I was born into peace and still know it today, same for my parents.
Their parents lived during WWII, but of the four, only one is still alive.
So tell me, who are you fighting that you need all those guns?
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Our second amendment was written specifically to allow us to overthrow our government if needed. Our freedoms are laid out in our Declaration of Independence (yes, the forgotten document) where it spells out that a free people have the fundamental right to replace their government at any time they feel they're being trampled on by said government. The second amendment is there to enforce that right.
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Yes, two and a half centuries ago, in which time you've never used it other than to defend gun ownership, so that makes it totally relevant today
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THe 2nd ammendment is irrelevant??? It's never been more relevant than today.
Is the 1st irrelevant? The 4th? The 5th?
They're not irrelevant because the 2nd still is.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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The overreach of the US and State governments telling people how to live in a world with a nasty virus, for starters.
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obermd wrote: Our second amendment was written specifically to allow us to overthrow our government if needed.
But this guy is a congressman...he is the government. He owns guns...what, in case he needs to overthrow what are essentially his coworkers?
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True, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that he, and everyone else in the United States, has this as a fundamental right if needed.
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You don't see the circular logic problem here?
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obermd wrote: Our second amendment was written specifically to allow us to overthrow our government if needed.
Respectfully, I would suggest that even if it was written with that intent, in the meantime said government bought a few tanks, airplanes, missiles, etc. while prohibiting the populace to buy any of them. Today your chance of "fighting the government" with guns is a bit less than zilch.
Mircea
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obermd wrote: Our second amendment was written specifically to allow us to overthrow our government if needed.
Wuahaha 
Search your "amendments" or whatever they are for nukes.
You already lost that arms race. Please stop being rediculous.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Dam right
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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He's not the country's representative - he's Kentucky's representative. States are sovereign in the U.S.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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My husband is a member of a gun club, and they train, and provide security for events.
He doesn't pose with his weapons. To the degree that it's a hobby, he does what a normal person with a hobby like that would do, and go to the range.
One of things about this country that has been steadily eroded by lobbyists is emphasis on gun safety.
And people wonder why we get some new story every week about some moron who shouldn't have had guns or kids being blown away by their toddler.
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote: they train, and provide security for events.
That's not even allowed over here.
Only the government is allowed to handle guns, so army and police.
Security is rarely armed over here.
We do have shooting ranges, but I know very few people who've ever been there, one or two I think.
I guess this is unimaginable to many Americans, but guns simply do not exist in daily life over here.
I mean, of course they exist, but it's almost always illegal and criminal.
In 2019, someone shot some people in a tram in Utrecht, near where I work.
That's the closest I've ever been to guns.
There was also a shooting at a mall about ten years ago, people still remember it, even if they've never been there.
I think we've had one school shooting ever.
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Sander Rossel wrote: That's not even allowed over here.
Not allowed in the US either - unless the private security company is licensed and bonded.
I get the feeling that "honey" is referring to something all together different.
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People are allowed to organize militias in this country, fgs. At least in my state they are. Those militias can operate as an armed presence at part of an event where they are welcome. There is nothing illegal about that.
Google orgs like Socialist Rifle Association and the John Brown Gun Club.
We are talking about something different, clearly. Trouble is, I don't know what you're talking about.
Real programmers use butterflies
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