Click here to Skip to main content

Welcome to the Lounge

   

For lazing about and discussing anything in a software developer's life that takes your fancy.
The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. No flame wars, no abusive conduct and please don't post ads.

Technical discussions are welcome, but if you need specific help please use the programming forums.


 
You must Sign In to use this message board.
Search this forum  
    Spacing  Noise  Layout  Per page  Show 
GeneralRe: To UK CPians.......Comet FiresalememberPHS2413 Nov '12 - 3:16 
£2. What a bargain!
 
Didn't Richard Branson offer to buy the entire Concorde fleet from BA for £1? That's two fantastic offers I missed out on. Frown | :(
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68).
"I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).

GeneralRe: To UK CPians.......Comet FiresalemvpOriginalGriff3 Nov '12 - 6:15 
I think you might have had a problem out-bidding Branson! (I know I would OMG | :OMG: - and I have nowhere to keep all those planes)
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

GeneralRe: To UK CPians.......Comet Firesale [Edit: No there is not]memberMark Wallace3 Nov '12 - 9:19 
DaveAuld wrote:
I'm looking for 2x40"+ LCD or Plasma tellys

Wow. That's taking the letter-box format a bit to the extreme, isn't it?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

GeneralWasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberRoger Wright2 Nov '12 - 20:17 
Well, two days ago, having made tentative arrangements to have the bed delivered next Thursday, I received an email form Sam's - "We apologize for the inconvenience. Your order has been cancelled." WTF | :WTF:
 
I wrote back to remind them that I didn't ask for a cancellation, and they responded, "We're sorry, but once cancelled, we cannot reinstate an order. If you'd like to re-order this item, please call Customer Service at blah-blah-blah..." Good Lord, is there no limit to their incompetence?
 
So I did more shopping, found a reliable source for a better bed, but one which costs an extra $240 for a boxspring to support it. The dealer will deliver when I want it delivered, including Saturdays, and will not only set it up, but take away the old bed, saving me a trip to the dump. All I'm waiting for is my money back in my account so that I can order the new bed. In the meantime, I've designed a foundation assembly for the bed made out of red oak, located and priced the lumber to do the job, and made sure I have all the tools to fabricate the assembly.
 
I checked my account a few minutes ago - still not there. So I checked my online account at Samsclub.com to see the order status. It still says "shipped!" The last time I talked to the shipper, they were going to call me Wednesday to confirm delivery the next day. At this point, I don't know whether Samsclub.com has bothered to inform the shipper that the order was cancelled, so I may end up with two beds on my porch if I go ahead with the second order. Apparently, even the wheels of stupidity move slowly...
 
I guess I'll have to wait until Wednesday to find out what's going to happen. But I'm tempted to send the entire email transcript of my interactions with Samsclub.com Customer Service to the CEO, just so he can properly reward those involved for their excellent performance. It just happens that I saved a copy... Roll eyes | :rolleyes:
Will Rogers never met me.

GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberBillWoodruff2 Nov '12 - 20:41 
Hi Roger,
 
I do not subscribe to the idea that "suffering shared is suffering diluted;" there's no schadenfreude for me reading about snafus like the one you are snagged in, but your experience does remind me of my own struggles (unsuccessful, so far), for more than a month, to get a working version of Visual Studio installed (to revert to the Visual Studio 2010 Pro purchased in the US, I was using for years; and, to get rid of traces of VS 2012 RC, and VS 2012 RTM).
 
Do you feel better knowing someone else is struggling with an equally bizarre situation involving the tech support of the world's major software company ... mmm ... perhaps better you have no reaction to that, or laugh at it (which wouldn't bother me, because I am laughing at it, also !).
 
The experience you are having with Sam's Club does remind me of the typical experience expats in Thailand have when trying to get "any business done;" living here: you either learn to laugh at the inevitable surreal confusions, and backfires, (the way Thais do) and "laugh it off," and not to expect anything but that, or: you go crazy, and/or leave the country ... unless you've been thrown in immigration jail, or are being extorted by ... let's leave out who usually does the extortion.
 
I hope you get the bed of your dreams soon, and sleep soundly in it !
 
best, Bill
~
Confused by Windows 8 ? This may help: [^] !

GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberRoger Wright2 Nov '12 - 21:09 
I can commiserate with you on your struggles with VS 2012/10 - been there many times with Microsoft products, and always by following their explicit instructions to the letter. And no, I don't gain any satisfaction from knowing about your struggles, nor anyone else's. But it does, at times, cause me to feel less like Kilgore Trout, a being created solely for the purpose of testing the limits of human endurance. That's actually Christian's job...
 
No, I post my travails merely to provide entertainment for those who find such things amusing, and as a warning to others who may be about to repeat a mistake I've already made; there's no good reason to allow another to repeat my errors in judgement - let them find their own! I also find that, as a result of posting such drivel, I often glean insights from others wiser than I about the way things are done elsewhere. This post seems to have accomplished that purpose, as I've now learned that Thailand has an institution known as "immigration jail," which I did not know about previously. I am thus enlightened, and now know more than I knew before - thank you!
 
What is "immigration jail?"
Will Rogers never met me.

GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberJimmyRopes3 Nov '12 - 5:48 
Roger Wright wrote:


What is "immigration jail?"

 
Same as in the US if you are detained by ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) for being in the couintry without a valid visa while awaiting your date with the magistrate.

The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain

Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems

I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes


GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberJimmyRopes3 Nov '12 - 5:44 
BillWoodruff wrote:
you either learn to laugh at the inevitable surreal confusions, and backfires, (the way Thais do) and "laugh it off," and not to expect anything but that

 
Seems that that is the way if a Thai is responsible. Just watch the happy faces turn into sad or angry faces if a Farang is involved.
 
Unfortunately, Farangs don't have the choice and must laugh it off in any situation.

The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain

Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems

I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes


GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberMehGerbil5 Nov '12 - 2:25 
Bill,
Your posts are like a Salvador Dali print translated into words.
 
-MehGerbil
GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberCDP18022 Nov '12 - 21:28 
Roger Wright wrote:
I guess I'll have to wait until Wednesday to find out what's going to happen.
But I'm tempted to send the entire email transcript of my interactions with
Samsclub.com Customer Service to the CEO, just so he can properly reward those
involved for their excellent performance. It just happens that I saved a copy...
Roll eyes | :rolleyes:


Try it, but don't expect too much to happen. Once or twice I had to take a typical student's job, like sitting in a call center for endless hours. The people you have on the phone do not know what's going on and have little to no chance to find anything out. Their bosses do that deliberately to buy time. As long as you spend time talking to totally unimportant people (and possibly keep paying the charges for their service number), they have your money and they will try to keep it as long as possible. In that case the 'incompetence' is deliberate, you will have a hard time to finally get to talk to someone who could clear this up, if they wanted to. And you may discover that they already expect complaints and deal with them in a very routine manner.
GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberMike Hankey3 Nov '12 - 0:22 
So I just ordered this bed from SamsClub... Smile | :)
You could send it to there CEO but he would probably do nothing but piss you off further and it will probably be resolved before he even gets a chance to look at it.
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.0 ToDo Manager Extension
Version 3.0 now available.
There is no place like 127.0.0.1

GeneralRe: Wasn't Expecting That II - The Samsclub/Serta Saga ContinuesmemberMark Wallace3 Nov '12 - 9:22 
Try not to lose any sleep over it -- stick an old comfy armchair in the shed; that and a bottle of rum should do you nicely.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

GeneralWasn't Expecting ThatprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 15:11 
I was just debugging a query in SQL Server Management Studio 2008 and got an error that said something like:
Unable to create window handle.

Because it was a (SQL) cursor with a bunch of SELECT statements, each of them displayed as a grid in the results window. Evidently, there is a limit to the number of grids you can create... had to restart my computer. D'Oh! | :doh:

AnswerRe: Wasn't Expecting ThatmemberRutvik Dave2 Nov '12 - 22:56 
Hi, this is Microsoft Support, please follow the following...
 
1. Go to Options > Query Results
2. Change Default Destination for results: to Result to text
3. If your insane cursor query still producing crazy amount of data, please change it to Result to file
4. And even that overflows, please buy a new hard drive

* Above solution only work once you open new query window.

 
And how do you expect us to open a window without handle, please try this at your home to understand the practicality of the situation.
 
Yours truly,
 
Microsoft Support Big Grin | :-D
GeneralTime waster OTDmemberDan Neely2 Nov '12 - 13:26 
Pointer Pointer[^]
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralRe: Time waster OTDprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 13:37 
Ha, nice. My initial reaction was "how'd they find that many pictures to point at each spot!?" Then I realized they'd only need a couple images, so long as they are big enough that they can be moved around (to adjust where they are pointing to). For a very general implementation, all you'd need to do is indicate a focal point (or focal line) and indicate which portion of the image should be shown at a minimum.

GeneralRe: Time waster OTDmemberMike Hankey2 Nov '12 - 14:40 
Ah you burst my bubble I thought they were taking a picture and displaying it in real time. Smile | :)
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.0 ToDo Manager Extension
Version 3.0 now available.
There is no place like 127.0.0.1

GeneralRe: Time waster OTDmemberJacquers2 Nov '12 - 20:19 
Typical developer! I do the same sometimes. When I see a nice piece of software I think, hmm, how did they code that or how would I code that?
GeneralRe: Time waster OTDmemberGenJerDan3 Nov '12 - 2:37 
Quote:
Sorry, I don't support Internet Explorer

 
Sorry, I don't support morons who don't know how to write web pages.
 
(I have both Chrome and Firefox sitting here, too, and I may have opened one of them to see the page if it had been a case of the content being displayed better in them. But this? Feels more like being told to use a separate drinking fountain. FOAD)
 
(Not the OP. The website moron. Just to be clear.)
No dogs or cats are in the classroom.
 
My Mu[sic]
My Films
My Windows Programs, etc.

GeneralRe: Time waster OTDmemberMark Wallace3 Nov '12 - 9:24 
GenJerDan wrote:
I have both Chrome and Firefox

Sorry, I don't talk to morons who don't use decent browsers.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

General16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 12:57 
I just got a brand new MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM... enough for the most challenging of tasks, I thought.
 
Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB. WTF | :WTF:
 
I guess there is still some alternative way of developing for SharePoint without needing all that RAM (some Office 365 something or other), but it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle. Hmmm | :|

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberClifford Nelson2 Nov '12 - 13:04 
Software bloat. Use to be able to run Microsoft Word and Excel on a 128 kB Mac.
GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For Anybodymembermark merrens2 Nov '12 - 13:12 
You probably could have a bought a windows laptop with 32GB ram for a pittance and then changed it when the hard disk filled up and still have change from an Apple. (I'm not Apple-bashing here, just stating the bleeding obvious - Apple make great kit - it's just over priced).
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
 
me, me, me

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 13:18 
Indeed. I'm sure I could build a desktop PC for under $1,000 (probably around $500) that has 32GB of RAM. Just annoyed that any individual program would have such an insane minimum requirement.

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For Anybodymembermark merrens2 Nov '12 - 13:23 
AspDotNetDev wrote:
Just annoyed that any individual program would have such an insane minimum requirement.

 
Can't argue with that!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
 
me, me, me

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For Anybodymemberalexander ypema4 Nov '12 - 20:41 
..Did you guys just have a non-flaming argument that involved Apple AND Microsoft? WTF | :WTF:
GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberAth14 Nov '12 - 20:56 
A guy with the nick 'AspDotNetDev' buying a Macbook Pro? Come on... Roll eyes | :rolleyes:
GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberDan Neely2 Nov '12 - 14:12 
Well, when the VS2012 and Win8 teams inexplicably refused to pick up Intel's latest gauntlet someone had to step up...
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberBillWoodruff2 Nov '12 - 16:55 
Dan Neely wrote:
Well, when the VS2012 and Win8 teams inexplicably refused to pick up Intel's latest gauntlet someone had to step up
Hi Dan, I find this a very intriguing statement; if you care to say a few more words about what you mean by this, I would really enjoy being able to read them.
 
thanks, Bill
~
Confused by Windows 8 ? This may help: [^] !

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberDan Neely3 Nov '12 - 5:06 
Previous versions of windows and visual studio always appear to've taken Moore's Law as a challenge and tried to add enough stuff that the faster hardware didn't result in a faster experience.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberDan Neely2 Nov '12 - 14:23 
The more thing's change...
 
Quote:
My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box
You say you've had your desktop for over a week?
Throw that junk away, man, it's an antique
Your laptop is a month old? Well that's great
If you could use a nice, heavy paperweight

 
... seems like you may find yourself gargling sooner than you expected[^]. Dead | X| D'Oh! | :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 14:26 
If there were an Apple laptop that had more than 16GB, I totally would. Cry | :((

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberKP Lee5 Nov '12 - 23:12 
Dan Neely wrote:
The more thing's change
Shouldn't that be "The Moore thing's changed"? Laugh | :laugh:
GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberDalek Dave2 Nov '12 - 14:35 
If only there were some way of upgrading the memory that didnt invole having a non iProduct?
---------------------------------
I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
 
CCC Link[^]

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 14:49 
If only. Cry | :((

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For Anybodymembergavindon2 Nov '12 - 15:42 
Funny, I run a sharepoint server in a vm on my laptop that has 12 gig of ram. Yeah its not a speed demon but it does function for development purposes.
 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I only allow about 4 gig on the vm.. it still works, sharepoint does function fully.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder
 
Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow.
 
You can't scare me, I have children.

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 16:40 
gavindon wrote:
I forgot to mention that I only allow about 4 gig on the vm.. it still works, sharepoint does function fully

 
Awesome! I'll have to give it a try then. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:
 
By the way, what software do you use to host your VMs? I was thinking Hyper-V Client, but then I'd have to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8, and I'm not sure my Mac's gonna like that. Alternatively, I'll be looking into VMware Player or Workstation.
 
Oh, FYI, I'll be using SharePoint 2013, so not sure if your experience would still hold true, but I'll try it anyway.

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberFranc Morales2 Nov '12 - 16:56 
VirtualBox
GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 18:25 
Awesome, I'll try that one first (supposing the website becomes available tomorrow... it's down at the moment). I just watched this video and it looks pretty simple.

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For Anybodymembergavindon2 Nov '12 - 17:07 
vmware.. I'm running 2010, so 2013 I cant answer for. I bet it will work well enough to develop for though.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder
 
Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow.
 
You can't scare me, I have children.

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For Anybodymemberleppie2 Nov '12 - 23:52 
AspDotNetDev wrote:
I'll be using SharePoint 2013, so not sure if your experience would still hold true, but I'll try it anyway.

Nope, SP2010 works under 4GB, 8GB is better, but not enough if you need to do with reporting stuff too (those silly BI things).
 
At least on a SSD, virtual memory is faster Poke tongue | ;-P

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberJason Saggers5 Nov '12 - 7:56 
I have my Macbook Pro (late 2011) Running Win 8 on the Bootcamp partition fine....
 
So it is doable..
Always learning.. To much to know

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev5 Nov '12 - 8:14 
Nice, I may give that a try then. This thread seemed to indicate there were some issues (and Boot Camp doesn't seem to explicitly support Windows 8 yet, though as you say it appears to work anyway).
 
Out of curiosity, did you upgrade your Win7 Boot Camp to Windows 8, or do you do a fresh Boot Camp install with Windows 8?

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberJason Saggers5 Nov '12 - 19:03 
Did a fresh install, including creating the partition with the Mac Tools. Just used the Windows 8 DVD (Burnt a copy from the ISO), instead of the Windows 7 one.
 
Mac Tools seem to validate using the 8 DVD as well, so was straight forward.
Always learning.. To much to know

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev5 Nov '12 - 19:04 
Thanks, good to know. I actually already deleted my Windows 7 partition and have less than a minute left on the Windows 8 ISO download. I'll soon see for myself. Smile | :)

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberNemanja Trifunovic2 Nov '12 - 16:17 
AspDotNetDev wrote:
Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB.

 
Meh - I was developing SPS 2013 until a few months ago and my best machine had 12 GB. Now I am developing SAP HANA and my dev machine has 256 GB RAM (not a typo).

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodyprotectorAspDotNetDev2 Nov '12 - 16:37 
Good to know! I hate when recommendations are listed as requirements.
 
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
my dev machine has 256 GB RAM

 
I just simultaneously puked and sh*t my pants in disbelief and amazement! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberMark Wallace3 Nov '12 - 9:34 
What's best is that it's all in 128kb memory cards, so he can cook five pizzas on the memory array while processing mid-sized transaction files.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymvpNish Sivakumar4 Nov '12 - 13:36 
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
my dev machine has 256 GB RAM (not a typo).

WTF | :WTF:
Regards,
Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

GeneralRe: 16GB Ought To Be Enough For AnybodymemberCDP18022 Nov '12 - 21:56 
So you have not yet run into that young and promising programmer who lectured you about the things you 'nowadays' don't have to think about anymore? Stuff like measuring the performance or managing memory?

General General    News News    Suggestion Suggestion    Question Question    Bug Bug    Answer Answer    Joke Joke    Rant Rant    Admin Admin   


Advertise | Privacy | Mobile
Web02 | 2.6.130523.1 | Last Updated 23 May 2013
Copyright © CodeProject, 1999-2013
All Rights Reserved. Terms of Use
Layout: fixed | fluid