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Dropped my Crown Vic off at the body shop, and picked up my rental - it's a Dodge Avenger (with a turbo charger).
Why I'd never own one:
0) The radio stays on even if you pull the key out of the ignition switch.
1) The cruise control is located on a weird, stubby lever positioned on the lower right side, and that is visible between the rim of the steering wheel and the steering column.
2) It's impossible to operate any levers (lights, windshield wipers, cruise control) without taking your eyes off the road.
3) The seats are so hard, I swear they don't have any padding at all. It's like sitting on boards.
4) The automatic shifter has this weird gated lock-out between Park and reverse/nuetral.
5) Side mirrors aren't large enough.
6) There must be an acre of horizontal dashboard on the car.
7) It's a Dodge.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 0) The radio stays on even if you pull the key out of the ignition switch.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 1) The cruise control is located on a weird, stubby lever positioned on the lower right side, and that is visible between the rim of the steering wheel and the steering column.
My 2008 Jeep is the same way.
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Slacker covered some of it, I have an '06 Jeep.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 0) The radio stays on even if you pull the key out of the ignition switch.
...until you open the door. I like it, I think you can turn that off, too.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 1) The cruise control is located on a weird, stubby lever positioned on the lower right side, and that is visible between the rim of the steering wheel and the steering column.
I hate CC, never looked for it yet. I have found it in very awkward positions on newer cars though.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 2) It's impossible to operate any levers (lights, windshield wipers, cruise control) without taking your eyes off the road.
I would think this is true of any car that you are unfamiliar with.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
5) Side mirrors aren't large enough.
Unless it's a truck, they never are. Have you ever sat in a new Challenger? 180 degree blindspots, yuck.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 7) It's a Dodge.
It's a rental, at least you're not the one paying to keep it running in 5 years.
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
— Hunter S. Thompson
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You and your ridiculous American cars... 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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_beauw_ wrote: Yugo GV
Wowow wait a minute, I think you're forgetting about BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, Zonda, and some others here.
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I have only one reason for never owning one: it's made by Chrysler, and they make only crap.
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer
"The failure mode of 'clever' is 'a**hole'" John Scalzi
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Hmm. I've owned two Dodge Neon's and a Dakota truck. All were nice vehicles, and essentially problem-free. As always, owner experience varies.
Nice Scalzi quote, BTW  . He's one of only a couple authors I buy everything they write, sight unseen.
Software Zen: delete this;
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 0) The radio stays on even if you pull the key out of the ignition
switch.
My pickup is like that. But as soon as you open a door or ten minutes elapses, whichever comes first, it turns off. I kinda like it when I drive into an oil shop now. I can still listen to the radio while they are doing their work and the ignition is turned off. 
Chris Meech
I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 1) The cruise control is located on a weird, stubby lever positioned on the
lower right side, and that is visible between the rim of the steering wheel and
the steering column.
Thats a by design feature... Outlaw programmers don't use cruise control anyways.
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Your #7 is my #1. That's all I need to know and where I'd stop.
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Left in the dark (8)
Easy one for you all today.
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o54m4 wrote: Left in the dark
Yes, I broke wind in the dark.
o54m4 wrote: Easy one for you all today
I don't know about others, but breaking wind has always been easy for me. At times it makes others feel a little uneasy though.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Wow, what's with the hostility?
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Because I did. OK, just kidding.
DD wanted another person (pompeyboy) to host the CCCs in his absence. I'm sure the OP knows it as well.
See the 1 votes on his post - I'm presuming that it's from the people who disagree with the OP taking pompeyboy's place. I'm one step ahead, and feeling a little virile. Also, I didn't mean to be totally hostile, but funny.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: DD wanted another person (pompeyboy) to host the CCCs in his absence. I'm sure
the OP knows it as well.
So what's the big deal? Why can't anyone else start a CC thread? 
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: See the 1 votes on his post - I'm presuming that it's from the people who
disagree with the OP taking pompeyboy's place. I'm one step ahead, and feeling a
little virile.
I think all those 1 voters are abusing the site, and it's these people who are driving most of the nicer folks away from the Lounge 
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: So what's the big deal? Why can't anyone else start a CC thread?
Of course, anyone can. But so are people entitled to casting their votes, and thereby stating their opinion on wanting to have the OP posting CCCs.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: I think all those 1 voters are abusing the site
I don't think so. Everyone is entitled to vote whatever they want to. They will be abusing the system only if they're voting to remove a message that doesn't violate the site rules in any way.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: and it's these people who are driving most of the nicer folks away from the Lounge
This person, for one, is not a very nice folk. Just my opinion though.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: Of course, anyone can. But so are people entitled to casting their votes, and
thereby stating their opinion on wanting to have the OP posting CCCs.
Yeah, sure. And I am saying that I think it's these people who are driving the nice folks away!
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: I don't think so. Everyone is entitled to vote whatever they want to. They will
be abusing the system only if they're voting to remove a message that doesn't
violate the site rules in any way.
Yeah this is subjective. I think the fact that a group of people gang up on anyone they don't like and 1-vote their posts is abusive behavior.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Yeah, sure. And I am saying that I think it's these people who are driving the nice folks away!
Well, I'd feel sorry for the nicer folks then. Some dogpiling happens here now and then (usually for a valid cause), and they need to take it up. Occasionally, the dogs could pile up on an innocent victim, but usually there's a reason.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Yeah this is subjective. I think the fact that a group of people gang up on anyone they don't like and 1-vote their posts is abusive behavior.
Why, yes. It is subjective. It's not about people 1-voting someone they don't like - I see one of his more recent posts having 12x5 votes[^]. But people gang up and 1-vote the "posts" that they don't like. It's not against an individual, but rather against a post; or at least that's the way I see it. How is someone expected to know that more people are going to "gang up" and 1-vote the same post?
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: Well, I'd feel sorry for the nicer folks then. Some dogpiling happens here now
and then (usually for a valid cause), and they need to take it up. Occasionally,
the dogs could pile up on an innocent victim, but usually there's a
reason.
Good for you then. I think of this from Code Project's perspective. I worked for them from 2003 to 2006 + my wife's been working for them from 2003 to date. I am also more closely associated with the site than many others here so I have more of an idea of what Chris and Dave envisioned for their site. I don't think this discussion with you will be fruitful in anyway, so I will stop now.
Oh BTW someone Platinum member took offense at my remarks and gave me a 1. Just shows how things work here, doesn't it?
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Good for you then. I think of this from Code Project's perspective. I worked for them from 2003 to 2006 + my wife's been working for them from 2003 to date. I am also more closely associated with the site than many others here so I have more of an idea of what Chris and Dave envisioned for their site. I don't think this discussion with you will be fruitful in anyway, so I will stop now.
I certainly do know that you were associated with CP for a reasonably long time, and that you'll know what was envisioned by Dave or Chris. But someone kept 1-voting me like crazy sometime back. I was ignoring it, but I started to be annoyed when it went on into the programming forums also. Nearly every post I make in the general forums, and almost answer I post in the technical forums. Can you imagine? I kept complaining to Chris, and he kept fixing those. However, at one point he told me that members are free to vote whatever they want. I then took it that it must be that way. So, that's where I gathered my opinions from.
To quote a truth, you have been such an inspiration for me. I don't know if you'd believe, but I used to sit with a colleague of mine back in those days, strolling through your articles, answers, and MVP profile, EVERY DAY. And I used to tell her that I'll become a big boy like him (you) some day. I certainly am not as big, and have a long way to go, but I think that I've grown from an absolute nobody to someone who will be recognised, to someone who has done some contribution that was appreciated. I owe you (and Michael Dunn, David Crow, Marc Clifton, Maunder, Rama, and other people) big time for all the inspiration, you know? There will never be a day when I'll forget it all, and thanks for this opportunity, I've talked about it here.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Oh BTW someone Platinum member took offense at my remarks and gave me a 1. Just shows how things work here, doesn't it?
And that worries you? DUDE, Members are free to vote whatever they like. I won't sweat it if it weren't in the programming forums. But I'm sure you've seen this more than I do.
Add: [ On the positive side, I see lots of platinum 5 votes. And you deserve a rain of 1 votes, because YOU TALKED AGAINST ME.  ]
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
modified on Monday, March 21, 2011 1:53 PM
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: And that worries you? DUDE, Members are free to vote whatever they like. I won't
sweat it if it weren't in the programming forums. But I'm sure you've seen this
more than I do.
The 1 vote does not affect me personally
But the core attitude that leads people into doing it worries me (because if more people did it, the Lounge would sink even lower). Sites like SO and the MSDN forums have an edge over CP right now, and many active CPians believe that one core reason for this is how the Lounge is now a lesser representation of its former self (from a community perspective). Respected gurus, Microsoft and Google devs, MVPs etc. will not normally want to be associated with a website that's represented by such a member base (as refelcted in the Lounge). They'll stay away and move onto sites like SO. In fact there's a mailing list of former very-active CPians who want to keep in touch but do not want to come anywhere near the Lounge.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: There will never be a day when I'll forget it all, and thanks for this
opportunity, I've talked about it here.
I am glad to hear that! And perhaps the continuous 1-voting you received explains why you are not a CP MVP anymore (since that's calculated absed on the rep score). If so I am very sorry to hear that because whoever did that to you deserves to be banned.
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OK, pal. I'll try to be a little less "virile" when I see such posts in the future. Promise. But only because you say.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: I am glad to hear that! And perhaps the continuous 1-voting you received explains why you are not a CP MVP anymore (since that's calculated absed on the rep score). If so I am very sorry to hear that because whoever did that to you deserves to be banned.
The 1 votes could be a reason, but I wouldn't want to totally blame it on the 1 votes by some jerk. I honestly couldn't do a reasonable amount of contribution (in comparison with the past years) due to some very serious issues that I had to sort out at work. Office politics, people taking things personally, acting like if they have a guitar up their arse, etc. I finally made through the crap and got out of that place though. So, the stripping of the award was a well deserved one.
However, I'm sincerely hoping that I can do whatever contributions possible from this year. This place is special to me. I've leeched out so much, and given back so little. I owe.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: OK, pal. I'll try to be a little less "virile" when I see such posts in the
future. Promise. But only because you say.
Heh Thank you!
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: Office politics, people taking things personally, acting like if they have a
guitar up their arse, etc. I finally made through the crap and got out of that
place though. So, the stripping of the award was a well deserved one.
Ah okay, but you are still a Microsoft MVP. It's kinda interesting that it's easier to retain your Microsoft award compared to the CodeProject award (although I guess the award cycles may be different).
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Ah okay, but you are still a Microsoft MVP. It's kinda interesting that it's easier to retain your Microsoft award compared to the CodeProject award (although I guess the award cycles may be different).
I don't think it's easier.
The award cycles are different, plus they consider all the contributions that I make. I've been doing contributions at local community level (most recent one was me giving a session on developing C++ applications for Windows 7, which went very well according to them)! Plus, the 1-voter cannot taint his votes on my local contributions and on my relatively less contributions on other sites ( in disguised names, but I can identify myself to MS when I want to renew my award ).
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: Plus, the 1-voter cannot taint his votes on my local contributions and on my
relatively less contributions on other sites.
True
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