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|I was once in a company that had a project they were outsourcing to Romania.
The company had three CEO's and they went to Romania for a week to discuss the project.
When they came back one of those guys asked me, can you make an estimate for the project?
It went something like this:
Manager: Can you make an estimate for the project?
Me: You've been there for a week, aren't they supposed to give you an estimate?
Manager: They did, but I don't trust it.
Me: Alright... So how many people will be working on it?
Manager: I don't know.
Me: Then I'm going with their estimate. Also HOW CAN YOU GO THERE A WEEK AND NOT KNOW!?
Manager: It didn't come up, but I want you to make an assumption and make an estimate.
Me: Alright, I'm assuming their estimate is good.
Manager, getting annoyed: No, just assume three developers and make a new estimate.
Me: I'm assuming it will take a year.
Manager: NO! AN EDUCATED ESTIMATE!
Me: How in the hell can I make an educated estimate if they can't and I have to assume everything?
Manager: I just trust you a lot more than then.
Me, counting X functionalities from a spreadsheet: X weeks.
Manager: X weeks, that sounds reasonable, so it's as I thought, their estimate is far too optimistic.
One of the weirdest conversations in my life
Ultimately, it turned out we got one "senior" developer and a project manager that somehow needed 20 hours a week to manage that one developer.
After the first code they send us it was as I feared, their senior was a junior, or at least someone who didn't know jack sh*t.
I rang some alarm bells, but I was tasked to discuss it with them.
Ultimately, I said f*** it, I found another job and that project failed miserably.
It cost them a lot of money and never even went into production.
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