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That's ok. We love you as you are.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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There are several ways to interpret that. 
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: There are several ways to interpret that
Probably true for any statement.
Have at it. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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For the amusement value, because the Lounge was so much better in silence for 2 hours.
Thanks for indirectly answering my question though. It's been a long time for you.
I'm Pompey, I'll post what I want.
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Pom Pey3 wrote: I'm Pompey, I'll post what I want.
Lost all your facebook friends again!
Sin tack
the any key okay
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: So why post it?
How about because it is funny and this is The Lounge Area? Might want to read the guidelines for posts in this area.
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I didn't find it funny at all, I find it just cynical advertising and spam, and frustrating that on some people it obviously works.
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Seriously go get a hair-cut and some new aftershave, or failing that look on the internet for a lady supplying paid for services. You need it.
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Pom Pey wrote: not had a root for a very long time
Not even a pseudo root?
(I'm always willing to trial run new euphemisms)
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Pom Pey wrote: I'm not a pretentious twat.
So what kinda twat are you then? 
Jeremy Falcon
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Susan Boyle had that party first!
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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Ok here is the old thread to explain the situation I was in - Proprietary CMS[^]
As per your suggestions, I decided to move on and finally have an offer as Sr Software Engineer with 35% hike in pay. Now I broke the news to my Manager in current company recently and they are giving me a counter offer with Tech Manager role. I don't know about the package yet. They will let me know soon but I want to now be prepared with my decision.
I am about to finish MBA and Tech project manager is the sort of role I would like to move on to eventually. If I stay with this company, lot of the current major software work is outsourced. If I move on then I will be back to solid programming role and not sure how easy it will be to move on to managerial role after 1 year.
What do you guys suggest now. (Also note that I have been with the company for over 5 years now.)
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What do you want to do in your life? I would stay in solid programming, if the conditions are similar. The choice is yours: if you get both a desired advancement in career and a pay raise then you should stay in your current place.
Of course if they offer you peanuts with respect to the other company...
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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cp-andy wrote: I decided to move on and finally have an offer as Sr Software Engineer with 35% hike in pay.
cp-andy wrote: Tech project manager is the sort of role I would like to move on to eventually.
Option 1) You get the money and hope you get the chance to change the role in the future
Option 2) You get the role and hope you get the chance to hike the money in the future
cp-andy wrote: If I stay with this company, lot of the current major software work is outsourced.
That can be a PITA, been there and went back to tech job
But... at the end of the day... is your decision, so pay attention to what your stomach/guts have to say (you are the one with the biggest information about your current employer, if you like to work there or not)
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Out of principle I don't take counter offers.
If they didn't realise your value until you gave your notice...
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Out of principle I don't take counter offers
This is solid advice.
Most people and companies find that within 1 year of accepting counter offer, both parties are more than done with the situation.
There are a lot of stats about negatives of accepting counter offers.
Of course, each situation is unique.
Here's an article about why it is not good to accept them:
Why You Should Never Accept A Counter-offer (Forbes mag)[^]
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Great article, says exactly what I was to lazy to write myself. 
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And they'll start looking for your replacement anyway since you've shown that you're disloyal.
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Yep. One company I left wouldn't give me a counter offer, saying in so many words it would be like paying blackmail, pay once and it may be demanded again and again.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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I accepted a counter-offer once, brought me up to the salary I was moving to (large increase). Six months later I left anyway for a third company, as the money didn't fix the problems I had with the original company -- if anything they got worse. I went through a lot of unnecessary stress before cutting my losses and leaving.
Make a list of pros and cons for staying and leaving. Look at the list critically, leave emotion at the door (if you can). Once you've mentally processed everything, take a few days (or more) to reflect on things. Listen to your "gut", as others have recommended. IMO our "gut" is our subconscious talking to us -- it knows more than we consciously do. I collect facts and let my subconscious ruminate.
One final thought: Make sure that going to a less technical role is what you want. I moved out of technical work into project management and business analysis. Today I'm back playing with my Tinker Toys (programmer/analyst and team lead) and I'm a lot happier. 
Side thought -- is "gut feeling" American slang, or is it more general across English speaking countries?
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Why were you looking to leave your current company in the first place? Were you not happy? Did you not enjoy the work or the people? Will these issues have all been resolved if you accept the counter-offer?
In my experience,once someone has set their mind to leaving, it's because they have already given it a lot of thought and the decision has been made in their own minds. I was counter-offered at a previous job. When I was handing in my notice my manager immediately counter-offered. My mind was made up and I was adamant I was leaving.
I also remember another colleague of mine who accepted a job offer, handed in his notice, got counter-offered, accepted the counter-offer but left less than 12 months later as all the promises he was given never materialised.
At tend of the day, it's your decision, and only you can know what to do for the best
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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Dominic Burford wrote: all the promises he was given never materialised
Never take a promise as a counter-offer, promises are worthless. Either the employer signs a binding contract or the counter-offer is functionally non existent.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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den2k88 wrote: Never take a promise as a counter-offer, promises are worthless.
I think he's learnt that lesson now
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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