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I agree with your final comments as to what I experienced in my career in terms of the technical management I worked under in which practically all of these people were incompetent.

However, I worked in many companies and corporations both as consultant and an employee across a large spectrum of industries. So unless something miraculous has happened in the management suites of the United States, I really do not see what I experienced or that of many of my colleagues as no longer the norm considering I only retired in 2014.

Maybe you are privileged to work in a company or companies where quality software design takes precedence over deadlines and the like but I never have. And trying to change such technical management is a complete impossibility considering that most are arrogant, incompetents who do not see the need to go up against their own management. The fact that you suggested such a proposition demonstrates your lack of experience in the brutal, working world of Information Technology. Anyone who has had a wide breadth of industry experience under the belts would never say such a thing no matter how long they may have been a professional.

Aside from this it does not appear you have actually read what I have been saying but instead have looked to simply disagree with it.

I came up in the field when 4th generation development was a thing and ease-of-use was a primary motivation for Microsoft. When Java was introduced it was laughed at not only due to its massive complexity but the near impossibility of doing anything with it easily. Though this environment has gained a substantial foothold in our profession and it has come a long way, it still has many detractors for the original reasons. Should they change their thought processes also? The ASP.NET MVC environment and its subsequent add-on environments such as Blazor and Razor Pages to me, all appear to be nothing but added complexity for complexity's sake in what seems like an effort to mimic Java's original complexities. Our side of the profession is after all mimicking what Java web development always had, the MVC paradigm.

I don't doubt that ASP.NET MVC can be more efficient than WebForms but at what cost? Simply because you are doing well with it does not mean that everyone is. Currently there is a 72% job dissatisfaction rating in our profession according to one recent survey taken just a few months ago. And many current development professionals are not very happy with the current web development environments they are contending with. Should they also change their thought processes to accommodate yours or are they all wrong also.

I have also developed a wide variety of WebForms applications, all of which never gave my users any issues in terms of functionality or performance. As a result, I do not understand where you can assume that my development endeavors have been far more narrowly focused than your own. Like you are claiming, I have done it all and then some.

I just believe I have a much more realistic approach to my development efforts than you do. I really don't care how the Internet works. There is nothing I can do to make it better. I am just interested in how my software tools work with it.

But you seem to be centered on the tools you use and not the realities that surround their use in the real world. This is fairly common with the newer generations of technical professionals but based upon everything I have experienced and the reports that are appearing about modern web development it does not look like that these newer tools have done anything but creates new issues...

Mike Si, obviously a developer himself, who posted a very succinct answer on Quora in answer to the question as to why current web development is so complex had the following to say...

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A smart question and you are very right. Web development today is unnecessarily complex. Why?

Let me start by saying - Most coders (including me) today waste lot of their time on sites like Stackoverflow, looking for solutions and fixes; because open source software is generally horrible, has a long learning curve, and documentation is poor at best. So, coders are not coding much, but reading what other coders have to say! Now to the reasons why web development is complex:
Lot of coders wasting time, developing open source/free software. Few, if any, gain enough market share, leading to lot of ‘dead’, useless, buggy or poorly documented products; making web developers life difficult.

Many coders think they know better than others, and go on to create their own library or framework, thinking they will become legends. No, that never happens, but other naive coders trusting such coders, end up wasting time learning badly written code.

There are simply too many little products out there. Poorly developed products just linger on for years, trapping new coders. Too much choice of mediocre products is not good.

For all the above reasons, today, if you need to develop a web site, it is impossible to find a fully-featured/comprehensive paid product, which is well supported, is less buggy, is well documented, has a long enough lifespan; because no commercial business can sell such a product and make money - thanks to availability of many horrible/buggy free products, and the illusion that software should be free. Remember, companies need to employ people and pay salaries! Good products which can make you productive coders will never be free.

To create a web site one has to use many products and technologies, leading to confusion, fragmented teams, more bugs, performance and security issues. This also adds to the complexity.

So, thanks to the current mentality - “We will not pay for software, software should be free”, that we are in such a big mess.
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There are quite a number of people on the Internet who have posted similar complaints towards the current state of web development but I believe Mike says a lot in a nutshell...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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