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charlieg wrote: they cannot even make a stable OS, and you want a quality mouse?
By many accounts, MS used to make great keyboards and mice. Keyword, "used to". They did. Really.
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I would agree, they did make good mice. Someone moved in and swiped their cheese, their margins went way down, and they wandered off. I know their are still some keyboards and mice (of some variation) sold under the Microsoft name, but I think they are out of the manufacturing business.
I confess my previous comment was a bit snarky.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: I know their are still some keyboards and mice (of some variation) sold under the Microsoft name, but I think they are out of the manufacturing business.
It's my understanding MS is out of the mouse/keyboard business but let some unrelated company design their next generation of products. It's not clear to me however if they're allowed to keep selling under MS's name. It'll be interesting to find out.
charlieg wrote: I confess my previous comment was a bit snarky.
When it comes to Microsoft, who can resist the opportunity? 
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Hi,
I have written a bit of Code to talk to bit of hardware. All good I now having to document it for the records,
In the past I have worked on embedded and analogue test rigs which can be covered by a flowchart and a listing.
This will not work for a Windows program there is too much going on compared to a PIC or Atmel. Is there a way of creating the asked for without going mad? It can't be too odd as I think there must be other companies who need this...
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Welcome to a reason I don't do desktop and server development anymore.
The truth is I've only ever done flow diagrams for embedded code.
To verify desktop applications, rather than design a flow diagram, I design a test matrix. My functional requirements basically dictate the tests.
If you really must diagram your software's behavior, you could use UML, but it won't make things easier, just more comprehensible because anyone with a UML background could understand it.
UML - Behavioral Diagram vs Structural Diagram[^]
Adding: To my mind this is the difference between programming realtime systems and programming non-realtime systems - realtime systems are predictable enough to diagram. As a rough rule of thumb anyway.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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uml - meh. never met anyone that used or understood that garbage except for the ump prophet.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm not a fan of it myself, but I had to learn my away around it back when I was a software architect by trade.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Well, there's the high level stuff:
1. What does the hardware do, and why?
2. What are the requirements for the code?
Mid-level stuff:
1. How to integrate the code into a project
2. How to test the code and hardware
Low-level stuff:
1. What are the "public" methods to initialize the code & hardware
2. What are the "public" methods to interact with the hardware -- read/write/reset/diagnostics, etc
3. What is a typical use-case scenario
4. What are the best practices for initialization and shutdown of the code/hardware?
5. What parts of the code are thread-safe, what parts are not? (I would assume none of it is thread safe, but who knows.)
Nano-level stuff:
1. Describe the low-level interface between the code and the hardware.
2. Describe signals and timing (or include the specs on the hardware)
3. Describe specific constraints on the code, like, are there timing dependencies
4. Describe interrupts the code uses when interacting with the hardware
My 2c of some ideas, dredging up memories of documentation I've written in the past for software-hardware stuff 
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Can a part of the documentation be written within the code itself, aka, self documenting code. In the form of class headers, function headers, etc.
And the remaining part of documentation as a high level document giving the overall architecture, hardware interfaces, assumptions, limitations, errors, etc.
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Mmm, self documenting code, sounds good until you have to figure out how and why!
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"military intelligence" is known as perfect example of oxymoron
allow me to add
"self documented code " into the growing list
corollary:
when "open source code " is NOT documented at all - period
is it still
"open source code " ?
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Doxygen homepage[^]
It's something you have to do as you write but when done it's a flexible doc system.
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FYI, DoxyPress[^] supports the same features as doxygen but in a far more reliable implementation and fewer limitations.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Thanks for the heads up.
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You're welcome.
We have a large code base that's a mix of C++ and C# that build into an application and several Windows services. We found that doxygen only handled single executables (one program or DLL). Its C# support wasn't great.
While DoxyPress isn't perfect, it does the job well enough that we include generating source documentation as part of our automated build process.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I downloaded and ran it against a project that I am working on, with minimal settings.
I'll have to RTFM and find out how to fine tune, but all in all it looks pretty nice.
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My experience with Doxygen (my own direct use and how I have seen numerous co-workers use it) is that it is fine for the bottom level documentation. The reader will know all the details about the third argument to a given method, but without a clue about when, where and why that method is called at all. The protocol, both any line protocol and the protocol of interaction between methods in one module and the interaction between modules.
In principle, you can add information about module and object interaction, line protocol specifications etc. My experience is that developers never get around to it Round Tuit[^]. Documenting the third parameter in a Doxygen comment is easy to do when you are editing the code; the higher level documentation is postponed until the next tuit delivery. (But sending the order has been postponed ...  ).
As long as the intermediate levels are documented well, from the top level, the main subsystems and their interactions, and then stepwise down to modules and objects, then the reader might as well dive right into the source code. When you understand the use of some component, you have no need for a Doxygen carbon copy of the details that you will find in the source code anyway. Too often, Doxygen 'documentation' is little more than a rephrasing of method header.
Obviously, this very much depends on how developers use Doxygen. I am referring to what I have observed, not what you in theory can do with Doxygen.
Equally important: This is certainly not Doxygen-specific. Give the same developers another documentation system that they can maintain as part of the code editing, and the result will be very much of the same. You see it everywhere, in almost all software and documentation available on internet: Method headers and parameters are documented; how these are intended to be used is often completely omitted. If there are some traces of it, it is often poorly written. (The best way learn the use of some library, server etc. is to search for some other open source code to see how they are using it!)
So, my advice is: Forget about the source code documentation, at the method header and parameter level (with the exception of APIs exported to users outside your organization). Document it top-down, with focus on component interactions. If there are explicit protocols across a line, describe it, but document the protocol, not the API! E.g. MSCs can be very helpful to understand the component interactions. You can even make MSCs for protocols between modules or objects, even if they are not line protocols.
Document data structures thoroughly, but again: Top down. What kind of information is held in each structure, which components have access to it, which component maintains it. I am so old that I still think of ER as a good data modelling tool; today it is about as non-PC as the riverfall model, but you can have an ER-like approach even if you do not use ER notation. Stick to abstract data types - at this level it doesn't matter if a counter is 16, 32 or 64 bits. It does matter that it is a counter, though!
If it suits the software, state diagrams and/or state tables are great documentation tools. Unfortunately, few young developers have a good grasp on state transitions; it is more like a vague, remote concept in the same class as the OSI 7-layer model .
So how far down should the documentation go? My answer is clear (but lots of people will frown): Write your documentation so that it is independent of programming language. If the system is re-implemented in, say, Fortran or Pascal, all of you documentation should still be valid. It should contain the language independent stuff, all the language independent stuff and nothing but the language independent stuff.
When you need code snippets or declarations to make your point, leave it to the source code itself. Your documentation tells what it should do. How does it can be seen from the code.
There is one big pitfall, though: When you start describing your system as a set of well documented(/defined) protocols, MSCs, a bird's eye on the data structures, state transitions etc., chances are that you will utter a few nasty words about how the system should have been written. You'll discover messy transitions, irregular use of interaction protocols, undisciplined access to data structures, ... There will be a lot of new entries in the ToDo-list! Just make sure to get that tuit order in the mail as soon as possible
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The real problem is that there is not enough money or time in the budget for documenting and the programmer is usually to lazy to do it.
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There are people/companies promoting 'Test Driven Development', writing all the tests, from module level and upwards, before any coding is started. I have even talked with people claiming to practice it
For all my private projects, I practice 'Documentation Driven Development': I write both (end) User Guide and system documentation (implementation language independent, as noted earlier) before I start coding. Admittedly, it happens that the 'ideal' view of the system, described in the documentation, cannot be realized 100% in practice. Yet I would say that having the 'ideal' solution in the documentation is a great help to make sure that adaptations are done in a structured and architecturally sound ways, so that they do not appear as random hacks. Both end user and system documentation is of course updated correspondingly.
The one big software suite I was working on that tried to follow a TDD style (admittedly, tests were implemented in parallel with the code, but by a completely independent team) did experience very similar situations: The original spec, underlaying both tests and code, could not reasonably be implemented exactly as given, so both code and tests had to be modified midway. Specs are not carved in stone.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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You sir are an anomaly.
I know people that write a spec to go by but usually written by a project manager. But I guess if you are a one person shop that would be you.
I start out with a general plan but, as an example my current project, I started with a very generic idea of what I wanted to accomplish and it just grew and grew. The one saving grace is that I programmed it so that it could expand...and it has grown exponentially.
I document code pretty heavily as I go, but writing user manual or any kind of formal docs is VERY difficult for me.
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"So, my advice is: Forget about the source code documentation, at the method header and parameter level (with the exception of APIs exported to users outside your organization). Document it top-down, with focus on component interactions."
This right here.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Mike - would you email me at cgilley2640@gmail.com? I want to ask you a retirement question(s) offline. Used to be that CP would allow a discrete but direct email...
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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> I have written a bit of Code to talk to bit of hardware.
Does the hardware in question has a datasheet?
If hard to find, provide link or better the actual PDF you used to write the code.
Some example applications are often more useful than documentation in practice.
At least a minimalistic "hello world" app to get started, maybe a performance testing one.
The more complex the hardware the more example apps might be needed.
What is also useful is adding some (minimal) debugging.
E.g. an I2C based class should contain something like bool isConnected().
A SPI based class should have means to set the clock speed.
This allows 1st order testing for users of your code.
my 2 cents
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The bit of Hardware are the guts of scale which then lashed to a mechanical rig (not of my design) so the scale documentation is of limited use. The comms is over USB which is part of the problem my first attack I started to go down the rabbit hole...
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Its not a silly question to ask 
I would at least include:
- source code documentation (Doxygen is your friend)
- build instructions (which you tested on a clean machine)
- description of the communication protocol between PC and the hardware
- installation instructions (which you tested on a clean machine)
- use instructions (e.g. command line arguments)
- eventually an high-level flowchart of how the system operates
The first two items are helpful when in the future, you or somebody else needs to do some work.
The other are useful for the actual users and typically will be part of manual. Which I strongly
advise you to make, if somebody else isn't doing. I have found that "have you read the manual ?"
substantially decreases support effort
A lot of work ? The first time yes, a few days at least, but then it is just minor edits to the documents.
I use Doxygen for generating the documentation of the source code, of the language own tool if better.
And Sphinx[^]
for writing the manual and instructions.
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