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I've already done the indexing.
But anyway , I think a bad indexing would cause problems every time , not only the first time.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Entity Framework itself has a "warm up time" with the very first query
Just another nail in the EF coffin. What a POS.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Not like I had experience with a lot of different "heavy weight" ORMs but I can't imagine how it could be any different unless you/it deliberately skip(s) schema validation. And I don't think it's a big deal given it's a one time thing. There are probably other things more worth complaining about 
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Sascha Lefèvre wrote: There are probably other things more worth complaining about
Hence the comment "another nail". I loathe over engineered, black box tools, I use them where they are the only viable alternative (UI controls from telerik) but a DAL/ORM/Kitchen Sink I can do without.
I have a data access class that is an 18k DLL that does 98% of my LOB work.
I have a ORM tool that is not included in the app an writes 90% of my WCF, various UI classes, it will produce the xaml for Telerik grids and enums for master tables. And it does not need "warm up time" 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Well, I'm using it in a web app that has about 115 entity classes (tables) all on one context. The warm up time of EF6 is about 2.5 seconds. I don't consider it bad.
It makes the bulk of my work easier but it does have some downsides. The SQL it generates isn't the most efficient when thing get complicated and the change tracker isn't the fastest thing in the world but it does the job for my site, does it reliably well and does it within performance specifications.
I'd use it again for another project, depending on requirements, but there are a couple things I'd do differently, such as breaking my monolithic context into smaller contexts. I'd get a bit quicker warm up time, but I'd also get one with each context.
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I dislike the reliance such a comprehensive tool engenders in junior devs, they build apps based around such tool and never really understand their data and how it is stored and retrieved. I'm old school, especially around the database and how it is designed and works.
Just looked at one of our apps, 112 tables, each with 2 stored procs (old school  ) and about 50% with a view.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I don't understand very well what do you mean.
So as you are "old school" , give me a counsel : On your opinion , should I use Entity Framework or not ?
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Personally I would never recommend an aspiring developer use EF, you do not get to know your data structure and transport layer, EF does all the work for you.
However there are a lot of well respected devs that DO use it, but then they already have a deep knowledge of what the tool is doing.
You need to decide if you are going to be a tool user or a true developer with a deep understanding of your work. Time is also a constraint.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I have a ORM tool that is not included in the app an writes 90% of my WCF, various UI classes, it will produce the xaml for Telerik grids and enums for master tables. And it does not need "warm up time"
May I ask you to elaborate on that? As I'm currently writing my own ORM that also should generate code other than entities that's rather interesting to me. Is it an actual ORM or "just" a codegen tool? Is it an in-house solution or publicly available? Especially the part "various UI classes" sounds interesting - what kind of UI classes?
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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No you are correct it is just a code generation tool (ClassBuilder), I have a bunch of conventions, first field in a table will be the primary key, every table has modified date, each table with a FK will have a view, table name prefixed with vw and a few more.
Projects have a defined structure, models , viewmodels, DAL etc all have defined folders so the code gen can easily find the find the target .cs files.
ClassBuilder generates the CRUD stored procedures, models, data access and interface code is places their files in #regions. Enums and grid xaml is created on demand. #regions are replaced in existing .cs files when there are changes to the table/views.
I pinched ClassBuilder and DBOps from another developer in the 90s, written in VB5 I think. They have been rewritten many times in quite a few languages but have retained the same basic structure. I even have a DBOps for Oracle somewhere.
I guess it generates about 60% of my code, hand coded stored procs and the UI are all manual. Snippets in VS do another 10% of the UI code.
Send me an email and I will happily share it, I thought DBOps was in one of my articles but I was wrong.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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sorry , what this has to do with the question's topic ?
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My bad, seem to have hijacked your thread, sorry.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft, did my PM not reach you or have I pissed you off? 
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Takes quite a bit to piss me off, and you have not even started, I have bounced about 5 emails at the web.de address.
The following organization rejected your message: mx-ha03.web.de.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I'm sorry, I have no clue why that happens. I PM you another address.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Well , friends , you made a lot's of comments , but can I have a final solution of my problem ?
Thank you !
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Not all problems can be identified or diagnosed in a couple of forum posts. Any maybe your problem is rather uncommon so maybe no one here has experienced it himself yet or the right person to answer your question hasn't visited this forum yet. You'll either need to be more patient or conduct some research yourself: You could make a backup of your project and database and strip things out one by one in order to identify the relevant factors.
edit:
Theoretically it could also be not directly related to EF but some of your code that for whatever reason gets executed too for every first query. I assume you haven't profiled your code yet - get some profiler and take a look at your query execution:
https://www.google.com/search?q=c%23+performance+profiler&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8[^]
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
modified 26-May-15 0:18am.
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Is it possible to have a different forecolour on line 1 of the tooltip display? Thanks.
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Sure; you'd have to implement it though, as it is not default functionality of the tooltip. I'd suggest you search this site as it contains examples (with code) on how to personalize tooltips.
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I've had a good look around and can't find anything on colours on the first line.
Any links or other pointers you have would be very welcome. Thanks.
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Thanks Eddy. Checking it out. I do want a different forecolor on line one (compared to the rest), and your first link mentions a Title color and Description color.
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You're welcome 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Hello !
I have an vb.net 2013 application that use a SQL server database.
Currently I'm using sql server 2008R2.
To Backup / restore database from vb.net I'm using SMO.
But the problem is that when I try my application on sql server 2012 , the backup / restore functions doesn't work anymore , because the SMO files that my application use are for sql server 2008R2.
So I'm thinking is there any way to Backup restore a database that is independent from SQL server version ?
Thank you !
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