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I agree.
Honesty and sincerity are often the best approaches in dealing with people (or least some good ones).
Tactfulness is also a good thing especially in business.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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The truth is, how you say something and present your aura is 1,000 times more powerful than what you say.
For sure...than you get raked over the coal when your presentation "aura" does not jive with expectations.
In my world it is called prejudice judgement. Unfortunately not limited to presentation.
And you are also correct that some humans do that from boredom.
As an OF, I prefer
"if you cannot say anything nice - just shut up"
So with toastmasters "sandwich " approach :
irregardless of all of this , have a swell day and enjoy life as it comes.
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jana_hus wrote: For sure...than you get raked over the coal when your presentation "aura" does not jive with expectations.
Seems to me like deep down you want to be positive, but your posts still have a lot of deep rooted negativity man.
If you give a presentation and it bombs, but you're a good, genuine person... 100% of people will understand. If you bomb it and tell them all to kiss your arse, well that's a different story. 
I dunno where all these negative thoughts are coming from, but you may wanna go be honest with a winner and tell them you're trying to retrain your mind. Losers aren't gonna help.
Jeremy Falcon
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raddevus wrote: try to give them a sense of wonder and amazement at how you do things.Try to amaze others
Maybe I'm reading this wrongly but isn't that the very definition of a showoff?
I'm fine with the other two points but this one, I would replace with "Be open with others. Explain your reasoning but be willing to accept theirs".
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: Maybe I'm reading this wrongly but isn't that the very definition of a showoff?
Yep, you're reading it wrongly.
A show-off would be a person who "wants to prove only s/he can do the thing".
This is more about being so excited & interested in the subject that when you do things you experience a "sense of wonder" and are excited to share with others.
Think of the experience of a science show where the "teacher" fills a balloon with hydrogen then ignites it. Not a show-off but enjoying the experience of others experiencing the science.
Of course you have to be open to accept others input. The point of the book is that everyone is exciting about what they're learning, not _who_ learned it first.
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I find myself with the itch to learn a new system programming language. I really, really wanted to like Rust because I think the idea of compile time memory checks is great. And you don't want to become a dinosaur where tech passes you by. But, it's too opinionated... with crap that doesn't even matter. Like good luck changing the src directory to app to discourage too many acronyms being used (I consider app shorthand and not an acronym). Rust be like... nope you too st00pid for dat.
Now, C will always be my favorite language, despite the fact I rarely use it these days and spend my time in TypeScript. For all the C haters out there... look inward. People that hate C are usually young kids who never used it. Moving on is one thing, but hatred is another. IMO it's not that hard to understand safe memory management. All the hoopla about C sucking is just that... hoopla. Unfortunately, I understand that most programmers never really take the time to learn crap, so I do get the need to rethink things to prevent overflows.
Anyway, so I heard about Zig. Being a C fanboi and its two-way interoperability with it, I was immediately like... noice. Can't say I'm crazy about the name, but at least I can change my src directory to app.  It doesn't have a borrow checker like Rust, but it does have a way to at least help track down memory issues which is pretty clever. There's no global memory allocator at all. And it has a pretty nifty compile time build system that's like C++'s templating on steroids. It doesn't have nearly the tooling as Rust, but then again neither does C. But, it can use any C library, so you don't have to do everything from scratch at least.
Anyone try it? Like it? Don't like it? Has cooties?
Jeremy Falcon
modified 3-Aug-24 15:44pm.
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I'd never heard of Zig, but your description makes it sound appealing for C fans.
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Yeah. Much like C, you don't have stuff like regex out of the box. But, nothing stopping you from using the PCRE C library or a Zig regex library. So, I'm sure it wouldn't appeal to everyone. For those of us to still love C but want something a bit newer (like a better type system)... it's sounding cool. It does bake in unit testing though, which while you can do in C... it's not really baked in.
Jeremy Falcon
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The thing with C is it's universal, it runs on dang near any machine.
I started to learn Rust but got bogged down because it doesn't/wouldn't compile for embedded systems. (Without a lot of foul language involved)
If I do Desktop or Web stuff I use C# and associated tools.
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Mike Hankey wrote: The thing with C is it's universal, it runs on dang near any machine.
Currently, Zig uses LLVM to produce object code. The same as Rust and clang. Zig has its own linker though. There have been talks about replacing LLVM usage in Zig down the road, but suffice it to say, the very nature of LLVM executable is to also be universal. It actually takes it even one step further and allows you to easily cross-compile, which isn't so easy to do in C.
Keep in mind, it's a system language. Which is to say, like C, there's no runtime that runs along aside it with a garbage collector, etc. So, as long as there's a binary and instruction compatibility (which LLVM handles) then the universality of it will depend on the programmer making system calls, etc. And LLVM supports all the major formats: COFF, ELF, etc. and instruction sets.
Now, can I guarantee there's not some esoteric compatibility out that LLVM doesn't cover? Nope. I'm sure there a few chips it doesn't support. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't use a language. It'll cover 99.9% of the use cases. If you're the one out of a million that needs to support some chip nobody ever heard of, use C. But, if you want something a bit more modern, but without acting "rusty" like Rust there are options.
Mike Hankey wrote: I started to learn Rust but got bogged down because it doesn't/wouldn't compile for embedded systems.
IMO Rust took a great concept and over complicated it, which I could look past because the complication also comes with benefits. But, combine that with being too opinionated and the ecosystem being littered with childish zealots... let's just say I deal with enough of that from JavaScript/TypeScript.
Mike Hankey wrote: If I do Desktop or Web stuff I use C# and associated tools.
For me, it's Node for web dev and will be for the foreseeable future. Butttt... for lower level stuff me looky looky.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 3-Aug-24 18:52pm.
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I may have to look at it then, had no idea it could link to ELF.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: And LLVM supports all the major formats: COFF, ELF, etc. and instruction sets.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Any time man. And I get it; I'll never fully replace C in my heart. It's literally the backbone of the world we live in.
Jeremy Falcon
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Turns out Visual Code has a ZIG language extension. How cool is that? 
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Right now, from an ecosystem standpoint, it's like Rust was back in 2015 before anyone really used it. So, while there are a few online resources like zig.guide (which is one version behind), it's nowhere near as extensive as Rust. And it's not even 1.0 yet. There's a few places online for some docs though and some YT videos.
Still, you can still do stuff like pointer arithmetic. Granted, it's going to make you earn it, by having to cast a pointer to an integer first, as it tries to discourage that... but you can if you need to.
One thing it does do that C doesn't is have a concept of optional pointers vs non-optional ones. The compiler will complain if you have a non-optional pointer with no value... I think. I'm still learning.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: It's literally the backbone of the world we live in.
A quote I have seen (and used myself once too): "Do not forget that my compiler compiled your compiler." 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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ou've hit the nail on the head with your assessment of Rust and C. Rust's rigidity, while aiming for safety, can often feel restrictive. C, while potent, demands discipline and is unforgiving of errors.
Zig seems to offer a compelling middle ground. Its C-like syntax and interoperability are huge pluses for those coming from a C background. The ability to fine-tune memory management without sacrificing safety is intriguing. And let's not forget the compile-time magic that can potentially supercharge development.
However, it's still a relatively new language. The ecosystem and tooling might not be as mature as Rust or C++. There could be potential pitfalls or limitations we haven't discovered yet.
I'd love to hear from others who have dived into Zig. Your experiences, both good and bad, would be invaluable.
Have you tried Zig?
What were your first impressions?
Did you encounter any significant challenges or limitations?
Let's share our thoughts and help the community grow
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I haven't used it in a project yet. So far it's just been playing around and watching YT videos. I too, am worried about the ecosystem. Granted, every ecosystem is small when something is new. So, I doubt I'd use it for an enterprise application just yet, but for home projects I would.
Jeremy Falcon
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i downloaded it. i'll check it out, but not right now.
hardware/software issues to work on.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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