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Interesting stuff - thanks for that.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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I received email from Chris (probably) for
"Our CodeProject Community Survey 2024. Less than a minute."
All of the out links in the email were blocked for me because they all had link trackers through DoubleClick and developermedia.com, so I'm already well over the promised minute on this.
Blergh
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Probably you need to raise this with the admins - try here: Bugs and Suggestions[^] or reply to Chris directly via the email address the link came from.
I get the same if I click (mostly accidentally) on one of the ads on CP.
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I get the same. I can read the articles fine but the top 2 items - presumably ads, will never open.
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I have a Samsung smart TV that does everything I need it to except for watching CBS tv shows. Using the same method I use on my PC/browser, I open the internet app (which is Samsung's browser), go to cbs.com, click the show and episode I want to watch and it should start playing. Instead it displays a "optimizing your viewing experience" message ad infinitum. This happens during high-volume times (6-9pm) as well as late night/early morning times. I have no streaming services to further test with. I can watch YouTube videos whether in the same browser or in the YouTube app, both with no issue. My solution was to use the CBS app on my phone and share its screen with the tv. That works fine. This seems odd since (I think) twice the amount of traffic would be going back and forth on my home's Wi-Fi network.
Any ideas as to what might be going on here?
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My best idea as to what's going on is that the CBS stream is triggering some undocumented "feature" in the television's firmware.
Maybe there is a firmware update for the TV that you could try.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I'd try talking to your local Samsung tech support first. And CBS tech support second if they aren't helpful. I'm guessing it's not going to be "just you" with the problem ...
Have you tried turning your house off and back on again?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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My opinion (and I know nobody's asked for it):
"Smart" devices only extend technical problems to devices that should be simple. A TV's job should only be to display whatever content it's getting fed, end of story.
Since you can go to cbs.com on your PC/browser and play something from there, send that PC's output to your TV. If you can already do that with your phone, take that approach. Nobody's charging you any extra for whatever bandwidth gets needlessly (re-)transferred within your own LAN.
It's not ideal, but until these devices work as intended, you're only going to get frustrated trying to resolve those types of problems at that end.
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Playing down problems is business as usual for bigger companies.
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Interesting article and I get the issue...but it took the author a very long time to communicate the problem.
* AI egines (LLMs) have a reproducible bug that causes them to babble incessantly
* AI Companies either a) don't care or b) have no one with enough knowledge to understand that the bug could be severe (could cause AI to do something it shouldn't)
(or don't care and don't understand it)
This seems like the normal situation that I see from every company these days. ![Sigh | :sigh:](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/smiley_sigh.gif)
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They have a much larger problem than this bug - did they get permission to use published works to train their systems? I'm running into more authors who are putting disclaimers on the front of their eBooks that if the company want's to train using their work, they need to contact the author for approval and potentially payment. I'm waiting for companies like Amazon, with their huge Kindle Unlimited system, and library publishers to start filing copyright infringement cases against the LLM companies.
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Except - of course - any LLM that Amazon decides to train on all those ebooks (especially the Kindle Unlimited). And many of those ebooks (especially Kindle Unlimited) are probably generated by LLM, so it's The Circle of Life...
TTFN - Kent
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Quote: ...train on all those ebooks ... generated by LLM...
Reminds me of the old "Wiffenpoof Operation."
The Wiffenpoof is a mythical bird that flies in ever decreasing circles until it flies up its own a$$ and disappears.
Which, oddly enough, sounds like the phenomenon described in the cited article.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
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"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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obermd wrote: authors who are putting disclaimers on the front of their eBooks that if the company want's to train using their work, they need to contact the author for approval and potentially payment
I'm betting the net result of that will be that the LLMs start putting disclaimers in their responses to say that if anyone wants to use the response to train an LLM, they should contact the company for approval and potentially payment.
Because of course the "AI" companies aren't going to start reading and respecting those disclaimers; they're just going to point their scraping tools at the book, and blindly shovel it all into their models.
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- Homer
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I'll play - what's an llm?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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ChatGPT is an LLM
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Large Language Model - basically what's getting called AI these days (ChatGPT, Copilot, etc.)
TTFN - Kent
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Perhaps Limited Learning Model is a more appropriate term, upon reading the article.
Or also Lagging behind in Leap towards Maturity.
modified 4 days ago.
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Exactly!
One of the problems I see is that the weakest link in the chat software chain, is context apprehension and continuity across probes.
To be fair, that's common amongst humans also. I'm 67 and I work with colleagues that are, on average early 30-somethings. They (almost, to be fair) never get my 60's, 70's and 80's cultural references.
I don't fault them for that, however. Culturally speaking, my internal LLM has been train on datasets they've never seen.
This is the common look I get:
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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Quote: Culturally speaking, my internal LLM has been train on datasets they've never seen. Good point ...
BR
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that's HILARIOUS. Really.
I used to support Belgians. What an interesting group of people. Any way, one day I responded to an email with "You are not even in the same ball park." Americans - I'm sure you know the reference.
30 seconds after sending the response, my phone lit up with this person asking me, "wtf are you talking about?" In a heavy Belgian accent. I started laughing so hard at myself I had tears rolling down my cheeks which offended him which made me laugh even harder. After I got my breath back, wiped off my eyes and regained proper breathing I explained... where upon HE started laughing.
Fast forward to an ice hockey trip where I happened to be the "equipment manager" of the team... this means you get the luxury of toting around 200 lbs of gear all over the country. Yeah me, but it did solve my sciatic. I fired off a geek comment in the locker room about "smoke makes computers run, don't let out the smoke..." My two boys on the team wanted to hide, the other kids are like "what?" Meh, the didn't get it.
I s*** you not, we're at home 3 days later and the family PC blows a power supply right in front of the two hockey players. There's that "pop", everything turns off and a small mushroom cloud of smoke forms over the pc. To my credit, I kept my face completely dead pan - "told you... " and walked away...
I've given up on the generational issues...
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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What I read into this:
If you order a LLM to babble, it will babble. Took them a long time to say nothing.
Nothing to see here...
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I suspect the source of the LLM problem described - setting aside all the "no one cares" and "I don't have a conduit to speak with anyone who might care" issues - is architectural.
To make an obvious "well DUH!" statement, there are multiple components here, just in the chatbots simple Input-Process-Output structure. The issue the article author talks about could originate in any one or more of them.
To me a bicameral or multicameral approach/architecture is needed. If these chatbot systems had an output monitoring AI that could "learn" to detect both garbage in and/or garbage out, that could help mitigate the issue.
I'm just flying by the seat of my pants here. I am fully prepared to be wrong, and if that's the case, please be gentle.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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