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It is a hp pavilion p6, bought in 2014. It works like a charm.
I have windows 10. One of the last update that comes with Windows Update brings a black screen after startup - this seems to be a very common problem by hp, a quick Google "hp black screen with mouse" brings ton of results - and of HW-depending answers.
It is more than 2 years old, so no warranty. hp does not support it anymore. I bought it (new) online, so no way to get support from the vendor no-phone-number-and-it-is-so-simple-to-ignore-email-requests.jpg
So now I am stuck. There will be no driver update on hp side to cope with the windows update. I have no trivial way to keep my PC from being updated -> In win 10, you can either deactivate windows updates completely, which is unsafe, or wait for the update to be installed to desinstall them. Which means wait for the black screen occurence to happen, go in safe mode, launch recovery, etc... I know how this will end : I will have to buy a new machine.
In what twisted world are we living ...? 
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Rage wrote: deactivate windows updates completely, which is unsafe
As opposite to safely unable to boot, therefore impossible to attack.
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That's not really a Micro$haft problem - my computer is older than that (or at least the MB and processor are, the Video card and HDD are not what it came with) and has no problem with updated drivers. Two years old? HP's problem - yell at them to make you feel better, and try replacing the video with an "off board" video and new drivers. It may fix your problem and make your computer feel faster. Like me, you probably have a couple of old spares kicking around. 
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Isn't a hp pavilion a laptop only?
Is it possible to replace/update the video card in that? Or actually is that possible in most laptops? I have no idea but I always figured one was out of luck on that.
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Have you no soldering iron? Microscope? Access to a pick and place machine?
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jschell wrote: Isn't a hp pavilion a laptop only?
No. Just had a look at the Wife's Desktop, HP Pavilion running an AMD A10, circa 2013/14.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Two years old? HP's problem
That's not so far fetched - I had the same problems in 2006 and WinXP. HP in my opinion builds very cheap computers with high revenues. I won't buy HP anymore after a couple of unpleasant experiences with them.
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den2k88 wrote: HP in my opinion builds very cheap computers with high revenues.
This. Just this.
This space for rent
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Over the past 10 years, I've had 4 HP laptops at home. Other than a cracked screen on the oldest (sustained when I accidentally dropped my computer bag on the train platform), I've had no problems with any of them.
In fairness, I always perform a major upgrade of the O/S (e.g. WinXP to Win7 to Win10) by performing a clean install.
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Quote: I won't buy HP anymore after a couple of unpleasant experiences with them.
I have had the same issues. I have a AlienWare 2014 Aurora R4 that I just spent ~$1000 USD to repair over the past 6 months. Not good enough with a soldering iron myself and the graphics card was an NVidea 1070 with 'normal' connectors.
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OriginalGriff wrote: That's not really a Micro$haft problem
I never blamed them for it.
OriginalGriff wrote: HP's problem
I know, but they do not care.
OriginalGriff wrote: try replacing the video with an "off board" video and new drivers
I think I'll do this. I have spare one from 2002 (Yes, my older regurlarly-improved computer lasted from 2002 to 2015), so I might buy a new one. Plus my son turned 10, and that's an age for starting playing high-demanding 3D games, so...
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This[^] will get rid of your hardware compatibility problems.
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This would be feasible, if everybody else jumped on the bandwagon. Being the only one working with linux in a world of windows is just asking for troubles.
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With more and more web-based applications it becomes less and less noticeable.
"My place", for example: A Win7 shop, but few if (any new) applications are not accessed via a browser. I will admit that one notable exception, of sorts, will only run under IE. Everyone here has FoxPro installed.
So - given a desktop with links to applications, who'd know about the upgrade?
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Depending on what the PC is used for, Linux may be an option. For development work? Nope. But for general purposes (email, browsing, etc.) it may work just fine.
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BryanFazekas wrote: for general purposes
I am active in a lot of associations, and everybody uses WOrd, Excel, etc... while I know of all the LibreOffice and other clones, they are not 100% compatible and they are mch less performant than the microsoft equivalents...
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Ditto. I have played with Linux and while it's a good OS and has many very useful tools (including LibreOffice) ... I could not use it as my normal desktop.
Just had a thought -- MS Office Online works on Android. I will investigate if it works on Linux in general. While the online version has been less functional than the Windows desktop version, it may be sufficient. At least it's something to consider.
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Not as much as you would think. I've had two older laptops that should have run lighter linux distros without a problem, but... One was a 2004 Sony Vaio and in the ended up just installing the original XP distro and donate it to a charity because I couldn't find any linux distro that would install on it without hanging at some point. The other is a 2009 Gateway Netbook with a 32-bit Atom processor. I did eventually get an older version of OpenSUSE to install on it, but I was amazed at the number of distros that supposedly target this class of computer that would not install.
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... and introduce a variety of software compatibility and/or unavailability problems.
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Hey, yours is new!
My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.
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I belong to the happy few who have nothing against windows 10.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.
All my equipment and software are circa 2008 (Windows 7, Visual Studio, etc.). My personal opinion is that we were at a technology "sweet spot" then. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade my development tools or my equipment. As far as the equipment goes, I simply went to SSD for primary storage and added a little RAM. I'm good for the duration as far as PC software development goes.
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Oh, well, some of my software goes back to 2002. 
My systems need more RAM at least.
I'd like to get new CPUs and motherboards, but I need to find one with FDD support. 
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The elitist among us would say that we're "living in the past". OK, so I'm living in the past. I'm also crying all-the-way to the bank. 
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What about installing some older Windows like Windows 7 or Linux on the machine? 
Press F1 for help or google it.
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