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Hello all,
Now I'm working with a couple of old 24" monitors (HP LP2465[^]).
I like their options of switching input as sometimes I need to connect multiple devices to them.
But now I'm thinking on changing them.
I'm using a docking station with my laptop and I have HDMI, DVI, VGA and DP available.
Reasons for changing the current monitors:
- My laptop has a resolution of 1920x1080 and those monitors have a resolution of 1920x1200 which can be a problem when going from the monitors to the laptop with the mouse cursor as it can get stuck in the monitor.
- The consumption of those two monitors is <110watts (maximum).
- I hate the base they have as my mouse cable always hit it and prevents me from reaching the top of the display (stupid thing I know).
- They are very big and therefore I'm forced to move my head too much sideways, going to a smaller monitor would save some table space.
- They have a lot of plastic around so the image is separated even when they are together.
- The text looks worse in those two old displays than how it looks in my laptop.
Which monitor would you recommend to program?
What do you think of the ThinkVision T22i-10 monitor[^] (it is a little bit smaller, 1920x1080, all the connections needed, has no bezels, led backlit, consumes 55W (maximum), IPS panel).
And a last question:
Do you use those supports that get bolt on the table and that use the VESA 100 connection to the display that allow the displays to float on the table?
It looks interesting as it frees the table from the monitors base and therefore you have more space for everything, but never used them and I don't know if they have any drawback. Any experience with that?
Thank you very much!
modified 12-Aug-17 9:47am.
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I haven't tried that monitor, but I have two 22" both of which are mounted to the wall using swinging brackets (which helps a lot if you need to get behind the monitor): VonHaus 13-27" Tilt & Swivel TV Wall Mount Bracket with Ultra Slim Design for LED, LCD, 3D, Curved, Plasma, Flat Screen Televisions - Strong 15kg Weight Capacity: Amazon.co.uk: TV[^]. I prefer this to the stand that comes with the monitor: they are a PITA as they stick out ahead and behind the monitor, and limit the range of heights you can get. Plus, with swinging mounts you can rotate the display through 90 degrees - I have one hung portrait (great for manuals, documents, internet) and one landscape (great for Visual Studio).
The mouse cable problem is simple: get a trackball. They never run out of mouse mat, cable or anything, simply because they don't move... 
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Can you believe I've never tried a trackball?
Of course this solves the issue... 
I can understand the arm holder... I've never thought of that before, but it seems a good option to declutter the table and to have both monitors perfectly aligned.
And yes, probably 22" or smaller monitors are better when programming. too wide monitors reduce the comfort.
Thank you for your post OG! 
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Glad to help!
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25"!!!
Even bigger than the monitors I have now...
I can understand this is not the most common thing, but two 24" monitors side by side become a problem sometimes as everything is too separated sideways.
Anyway, I can see a wonderful resolution in that monitor...
Thank you for your recommendation! Who knows if Dell has something smaller with a good resolution...
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Well they probably take up less space than your current monitors, as the bezel is very thin !
Otherwise take a look at the U2412M, Dell 24 Monitor | U2412M | Dell[^]
But this has Full HD resolution max ...
Maybe you can consider taking only one Ultra-HD monitor, you will be prepared for the future if you want to watch films too.
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Joan M wrote: - I hate the base they have as my mouse cable always hit it and prevents me from reaching the top of the display (stupid thing I know).
After years of staying wired (grumpy old man quoting battery wastage and poor response) I figured give it a try. From the local (Hardly Normal) electrics shop bought the cheapest combo they had. (Well had a couple of $5 vouchers to use and already got enough toasters.)
To my surprise the dirt cheap Logitech MK235 did not let me down, 18 months on still using them.
- Intention was try wireless just to see if works and (being the cheap combo) upgrade if it worked half-OK.
in the end didn't see the need to upgrade, the cheap combo actually does the job really well ... OK, I'm sure not be good enough for gaming, but for coding (hard core too(, window switching, browsing etc including on extended desktops these do the job easily as well as wired.
18 months on: only replaced the single (AA size) battery in the mouse once, so far no battery changes for kb (2 x AA). Initially I would switch them off every night, but now don't even bother doing that - and still the batteries are good.
I really like the fact I can lean back (and put my feet on my desk) while watching vids and have the mouse on a side table (well really a plastic stool) next to me to pause/rewind/adjust volume, i.e. the mouse still working problem free 3 - 5 feet away from the sensor - better than the old days trying to use my toes with the old wired mouse/kb. Also can lean back with the KB in my lap.
I'm not a hard core gamer so I wouldn't go back to wired, and from this experience also foubd out don't need to spend much to go wireless (upgraded all the machines at home). Although one time reinstalling the family w7 machine the installer wouldn't recognise the wireless on the first/pre-install boot (even though the bios did) - I guess moral there is keep an old wire set in storage.)
BTW: Had one guy at an office I sometimes work at go for a lenovo bluetooth wireless mouse for his novo laptop - that thing does eat batteries more like an elephant than a mouse - dunno if that's a lenovo or a bluetooth thing - I suspect mostly bluetooth.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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I've been wireless for a number of years now, I even paid for my own mouse in the office, and found the only problem with them is that the battery will die on a Saturday evening. ALWAYS have spare batteries lying around.
I try to have a spare mouse waiting in the draw as they do eventually die.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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If you get a high-dpi monitor, and use Visual Studio, prepare to enter a living hell.
cheers, Bill
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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Or get a pair of good computer-glasses 
I think the smaller letters don't weigh up against the increased screen real-estate, especially when you have to deal with very long lines of code.
Besides you can increase the Windows font size, if you have a good graphics card that is ...
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Hi, Rick ... sure you can increase the editor display font-size, but try staying at 3840/2160 ... even with Win scaling at max ... and see how crummy the VS UI elements look.
And, be prepared to have to modify your VS projects, adding a manifest file, tweaking the 'config file, etc. ... even then you lose the WYSIYWYG between design-time and run-time appearance.
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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I did not try a resolution that high yet, only about 2560x1440. But a colleague of mine uses an Ultra-HD monitor and I heard no complaints from him, I will ask him about his experiences.
Strange that VS can't cope, what was the point of re-writing the interface in WPF then I wonder.
Or are you using an older version of VS ?
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Thanks, Rick, I am using VS 2017.
And, not better off in spite of: [^], [^]
cheers, Bill
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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Hi Bill,
When you get into your seventies, like I am, your poor eyes need help! I had my eye doctor test my eyes and make me a special pair of "computer glasses". They knew exactly what I meant by "computer glasses". They did a great job. I have a high dpi 23 inch monitor and the setup (with the glasses) using VS 2017, works really well for me.
Consider getting "computer glasses"? 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
modified 13-Aug-17 12:24pm.
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Just had a look at my colleague's screen with UltraHD resolution, and VS2017 looked fine.
So I think your problems are more related to your grahics card.
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In my laptop it works well... 1920x1080 in 14"...
I don't know if that is considered high DPI or not...
But thank you for your hint! 
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I use Samsung (my 2770) for over 6 years and like them, because of its quality und durability. The LED technology is durable and also saves energy.
Remember: You will look at the monitor for some years and the monitor is the interface between your precious eyes and the computer and internet. So only the best is good enough to enjoy your eyes, help you solve your work and gaming and serves them well for having healthy eyes for decades to come. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Thank you for your hint KarstenK.
Yes, I've been using those 24" monitors for a long time now and I do think that they are the reason I'm wearing glasses now.
So I would like to ensure I'll get the best for my health / work.
I'm doubting on those Lenovo t22i and t23i as they look nice and offer 1920x1080 in 21,5 and 23 inches respectively.
Having a price difference of 30€ (this is not important) I'm doubting on getting the 21,5" or the 23".
Thank you for your post!
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I have a Dell 24" at 1920x1080. I have a large oak office desk, so I use a clamp on articulating arm to avoid the stand clutter. Works okay, but keep in mind that the articulating arm can only handle so much weight when extended.
That 25" monitor has my attention (posted below)
Charlie Gilley
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According to El Reg Google and its terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week in full • The Register the interwebs had a PC meltdown last week and I heard nothing about it here on CP. Or did I miss something here as well.
I was tempted to reply to a comment about the various social network attracting the rabid from both side to mention he missed out on the soapbox but thought better of introducing CP to El Reg
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Just another example of how corporates and politicians have been getting it wrong.
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I just saw somewhere that Julien Assange just offered the sacked google engineer a job. That should do wonders for his credibility.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: That should do wonders for his credibility.
Soapbox material - getting close I'm sure, but actually Julian Assange is very credible even if you don't care for him or his work. It takes 6 months to a year or more to verify everything they publish. Just saying. So if the engineer would work with Julian, then his credibility is not in question, at least for me. Treasonous perhaps. 
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Slacker007 wrote: Julian Assange is very credible
How true. Another thing is Assange and his website have never been wrong!
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