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10-Aug-17 20:47

drilling for shale gas in Bowland Lancashire[^]

the holes are rather small though.... Smile | :)

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RickZeeland10-Aug-17 23:46

RickZeeland

10-Aug-17 23:46

The Brits were trying to do that where I live too, but we are against it !
Minister moet vergunning schaliegas opnieuw bekijken - Nieuws[^]
And though the news was rather sad,
Well, I just had to laugh

Munchies_Matt10-Aug-17 23:59

10-Aug-17 23:59

That is a shame. The utter selfishness of not wanting fossil fuel extraction in your own area, despite the fact these complainers use fossil fuels is an extreme form of hypocrisy.

RickZeeland11-Aug-17 0:05

RickZeeland

11-Aug-17 0:05

Well, I think it is a reaction on the problems caused by gas extraction in Groningen (north of the Netherlands), peoples houses are sinking into the ground and tearing apart ...

Munchies_Matt11-Aug-17 0:07

11-Aug-17 0:07

That is probably a good reason not to! Smile | :)

I guess the gas must be in shallow pockets for that to happen.

W∴ Balboos, GHB11-Aug-17 2:01

W∴ Balboos, GHB

11-Aug-17 2:01

I feel your pain.

Hopefully, they open a sewage treatment plant on one side of your dwelling . . . and a garbage dump on the other.

You certainly create sewage and garbage - so why not live amongst it?*

Ravings en masse^
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"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

Munchies_Matt11-Aug-17 4:44

11-Aug-17 4:44

W∴ Balboos wrote:
garbage dump

I use the old river bed at the back of the house for that.

W∴ Balboos wrote:
a sewage treatment plant on one side of your dwelling

Got one already, fosse septique and soakaway, though I am thinking of a microstation.

Poke tongue | ;-P

W∴ Balboos, GHB11-Aug-17 1:59

W∴ Balboos, GHB

11-Aug-17 1:59

A really cool side effect is turning on your water tap and, after striking a match, using it for cooking and as a night light!

Ravings en masse^
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

Munchies_Matt11-Aug-17 4:44

11-Aug-17 4:44

Thats fracking, not shiste gas.

Tomaž Štih11-Aug-17 2:21

Tomaž Štih

11-Aug-17 2:21

Most people don't know that hydraulic fracturing is only one operation at the end of the standard drilling process:
1) you drill a hole,
2) every now and then you cement it,
3) when you're deep enough you bring in explosives and fracture the sh*t out of the formation.
4) oil and gas will flow into your well from these fractures.
5) and, finally, if you're into hydraulic fracturing, you pump water with substances into the well under heavy pressure .... to make fractures bigger so that more oil and gas will flow.

So next time you see "burning water" on you tube think about this:
- if they did a lousy cement job then gas from bellow is ending up in water. There's absolutely no need for hydraulic fracturing for this to happen,
- if they perforate at very small depth (think under 1000 ft) then it is a dangerous operation, because there is water at that depth (and no drinking water at 13.000 ft) no need for fracking there too...

H.Brydon11-Aug-17 18:07

H.Brydon

11-Aug-17 18:07

Tomaž Štih wrote:
3) when you're deep enough you bring in explosives and fracture the sh*t out of the formation.

Fracturing (at least in oil and/or gas wells) is not done with explosives.

Tomaž Štih wrote:
4) oil and gas will flow into your well from these fractures.

Fracturing doesn't make oil and gas flow; it makes the existing flow better (it increases the permeability of the rock, it doesn't create permeability from nothing).

Tomaž Štih wrote:
So next time you see "burning water" on you tube think about this:
- if they did a lousy cement job then gas from bellow is ending up in water. There's absolutely no need for hydraulic fracturing for this to happen,

An improperly done frac job will fracture upwards from the producing zone instead of into the producing zone. The "burning water" problem is usually from an improperly done frac job, not so much from a poor cement job (but it could be either).

Yeah, I worked in the oil biz.

I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey

Tomaž Štih13-Aug-17 0:03

Tomaž Štih

13-Aug-17 0:03

H.Brydon wrote:
Fracturing (at least in oil and/or gas wells) is not done with explosives.

Worked in the oil biz too. Smile | :)

That is new to me. I was taught that perforation is done by perforation guns, which in turn, use explosives. Wiki seems to agree.[^]. Not to mention the good old nuclear times. I wonder what would environmentalists of 2017 say about that?

H.Brydon wrote:
Fracturing doesn't make oil and gas flow; it makes the existing flow better (it increases the permeability of the rock, it doesn't create permeability from nothing).

Indeed. And hydraulic fracturing does more of the same. For example, the sand that they pump also goes into the fractures keeping them opened for an extended period.

Economically speaking, hydraulic fracturing enables non-profitable wells to become profitable. That is why the world oil reserves have increased. We knew oil was there all the time -- but it was just not profitable to exploit it before.

H.Brydon wrote:
An improperly done frac job will fracture upwards from the producing zone instead of into the producing zone. The "burning water" problem is usually from an improperly done frac job, not so much from a poor cement job (but it could be either).

It is good to mention that deepest drinking water is only a few hundred ft deep down. And your average well can be 10.000 ft. So sometimes it is quite impossible for the two to "meet" without gas traveling through the well to the depth where it can leak into water that comes to the surface. But it depends. Definitely shallow wells are more dangerous to the environment.

modified 13-Aug-17 6:07am.

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Michael Martin10-Aug-17 16:22

Michael Martin

10-Aug-17 16:22

What the faarrrkkkk has happened here?

Logged in to site on my phone for the first time in ages, seems to be the full site and not mobile and I'm given what looks like a thread view and I can't seem to change.

Where di I find the settings to change this abortion of a setting?

Michael Martin
Australia

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PIEBALDconsult10-Aug-17 16:25

PIEBALDconsult

10-Aug-17 16:25

Hey! You stole my settings! Mad | :mad:

Michael Martin10-Aug-17 16:26

Michael Martin

10-Aug-17 16:26

Found it. Hit 'Request full site' changed Threaded to Normal under View and turned off Request full site.

CodeWraith10-Aug-17 19:38

CodeWraith

10-Aug-17 19:38

Now your settings must only remain as they are. Mine are still changed randomly when I refresh the page. For no reason my layout changed from ixed to fluid when I wanted to respond. It's the CP random settings lottery.

Edit: What do we have in the news today? A true random-number generator built from carbon nanotubes? Who needs that? I have a true random settings generator. Smile | :)

Edit^2: Bingo! Fluid layout is back gain! Now that's weird! Fixed layout was still marked as active with a red underline when I changed it back, but fluid layout was used.

I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is

Michael Martin10-Aug-17 19:59

Michael Martin

10-Aug-17 19:59

CodeWraith wrote:
Edit^2: Bingo! Fluid layout is back gain! Now that's weird! Fixed layout was still marked as active with a red underline when I changed it back, but fluid layout was used.

I just came back home and refreshed The Lounge, my settings were now Relaxed from Tight. I have no doubt in my case that @chris_maunder is faarrrkkkking with me again.

Nelek10-Aug-17 20:40

Nelek

10-Aug-17 20:40

Michael Martin wrote:
I have no doubt in my case that @chris_maunder is faarrrkkkking with me again.

Be glad / happy... it could be Sean

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