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And people are writing server side code with it.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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You will always find morons everywhere 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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I guess you could call me a moron, because I do write server side code in JavaScript (Nodejs that is) and a full SQL Server accessing one no less. I happen to like it better than using IIS. Only thing I missed in NodeJs is EF capability.
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VB6 is still used too  
M.D.V.
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It kind of sounds like you just don't care enough to learn how to do it correctly. Don't judge others just because you have issues with it. ALL programming languages have their nuances, as well as pros and cons depending on your goals. I really don't mean to offend but I feel like your being very critical...
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and it kinda sounds like you don't know how to distinguish a joke.
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It's going to get a little better soon though.. ECMAScript 6: New Features: Overview and Comparison
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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And in n years from now, when this pile of (brown mass) has finally reached an acceptable state, then everyone except the last surviving fanbois will be fed up with it and someone will reinvent the wheel and everything starts all over again. They will never learn.
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CodeWraith wrote: And in n years from now, when this pile of (brown mass) has finally reached an acceptable state, then everyone except the last surviving fanbois will be fed up with it and someone will reinvent the wheel and everything starts all over again. They will never learn.
I thought I'd seen you out and about today..
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Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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You can't become a CodeWraith until they have drained every bit of enthusiasm and interest from you. JavaScript (or being threatened with having to work with it) makes flipping burgers not so bad a carreer choice after all.
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Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I don't think you can make $80K - $100k a year flipping burgers.
No matter where you go, there you are...~?~
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Thereb are some things you just can't buy with money, like keeping your sanity.
I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is
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If you love JavaScript then you get to keep your sanity and make money at the same time, which I do.
No matter where you go, there you are...~?~
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That's nice for you. I know some ladies who make that kind of money without having to play with a lacking interpreter. Still, I have no intention to join them. Sorry.
I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is
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It's still around because it, like most of the things that are beat upon in a tribal unison, does its job. My only complaint, really, is that it fails silently, taking other code with it if in the same <script> block. The solution to part two is rather obvious.
Take that affront, VB6 (notice tribal chant!) - my director's primary language is SQL. He can write very elaborate applications in VB6, when called upon - and sure, their a bit of a mess compared to when I convert them to C++ or even a web page - but externally, they look just like the others. To the users - no difference.
So - I really embraced strong typing, once I got used to it (so many decades ago). Yet, the ability of javascript (and PHP) to treat things as both values and strings - well they're for making web pages, damn it - which are composed of characters. Relaxing the rules on one end makes life much easier on the other.*
It's a balance. Once gotten used to, the simplicity it(they) add(s) to the processes it(they) was(were) designed to facilitate are facilitated. It's one less bit of worry when I build pages that usually include four languages, sometimes five.
Nothing's for free: strengths are offset with weaknesses or difficulties, somewhere else. C++, for example, take a bit more savvy than C# - yet, managed and unmanaged code has IJW in C++. In DOS, I could access the ROM bios - and did so routinely w/inline assembly (C) - but in NT, all those applications went down the crapper. On the other hand, the O/S was now protected from accidents, usually only single instance crashing instead of the whole machine being taken out because of a pointer error. Win and lose. Yin and Yang.
So - the fallibility of javascript - as you see it - is because it's realm gives you some slack to get on with it's purpose.
* I'll save others of proposing the analogy of allowing bad food in one end make things way too easy on the other.
[edit]Just fixed some of the typos[/edit]
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I have to completely agree with Balboos with one minor addition:
If you are frustrated by JS it's because you're trying to treat it like C#/Java. It's not the same thing, it doesn't work in the same way, and it's like being mad at a spoon for not being a fork.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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Precisely. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Can we have a spork? 
No matter where you go, there you are...~?~
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Yeah. They call it TypeScript.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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GKP1992 wrote: debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development.
It isn't that hard once you learn how things work, in my opinion.
I don't see it's problems any bigger than any other language. It works really well for what it does.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Actually, I'm rather impressed with the debugging ability in the browser. Granted, a large monitor really helps. 
Marc
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Do you mean two or more monitors...
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I used to hate JavaScript for probably the same reasons you do.
However, I've come to see some of its beauty.
Then I ran into some issues in C# and thought to myself "this would be easy in JavaScript."
Today, JavaScript is just another tool in the toolbox and, even server side, not my last choice.
There are things I don't like about it, but there are certainly also things I DO like about it.
And the best part is that it's getting better.
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