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...never had to actually use them. 
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Is that the one with the half-sized up & down keys?
LUXURY! The winio OSK doesn't even have up & down keys!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Ouch. OK, I'll take my teeny tiny up/down keys and stop whining.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Count yourself lucky. I have a 'full' keyboard on my Tosh with separate number pad and proper cursor keys, great for dev work and proper keyboarding. Except...
The up key is FUBAR and so I have to have numlock off so that I can have move the cursor up. 
veni bibi saltavi
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The worst products come from designers, developers, manufacturers, companies, etc. who refuse to eat their own dogfood...
Eating your own dog food - Wikipedia[^]
That's one thing it seems that Steve Jobs definitely had going for him: he used his own products.
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But he didn't put cursor keys on the iPhone.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Herbie Mountjoy wrote: But he didn't put cursor keys on the iPhone.
No, I have them right here. I'm looking at my phone and there they are: cursor keys right there.
Oh, wait, this is an Android phone. I've been using this phone for over and year and I just noticed it's an Android. Well, that's just crazy.
What do you know, Android phones have cursor keys. 
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He didn't put cursor keys on the original Mac, either...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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I don't know if you're supposed to be an Apple fanboi, but given the number of complaints you post about various aspects of your MacBook or OS X or whatever...you're actually doing a terrible job promoting anything Apple.
Or is that all part of some sort of clever reverse-psychology scheme? You are, after all, at the head of one of the most popular sites dedicated to Windows development...
I'm on to you...
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Ha!
We're not dedicated to Windows development. We're dedicated to development in any shape or form. We just have lots of .NET stuff due to our personal expertise / preferences and that of our audience.
In terms of Apple stuff, I love their stuff. Or loved. I think their devs need a slap around the head, and I think John Ive needs to back off the minimal and understand we live in the real world. I'm also very, very disappointed in Tim Cook taking Apple back to the dark times of a series line so complicated that not even the execs at Apple understood it. (and that's when Steve came back and made the company what it is. Or was.)
sigh. It's complicated.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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"Dedicated" is definitely the wrong word.
"Heavily slanted towards"?
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Yeah, definitely, but the more Swift / Node / React / Java / COBOL / Whatever we get the better. The days of being able to sit on one stack are long gone. (Though Xamarin does try and insulate us and pretend there's nothing else out there).
cheers
Chris Maunder
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And also ... Windows bashing / mocking happened here too ...
I was one of the complainers when Win 10 Update went nuts and
spoiled my computer. It is indeed rather complicated sigh ...
Regards,
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Chris Maunder wrote: a series line so complicated
Ah! Fond memories...my first 'modern' computer was a PowerMac 6100 running on 7.5.x...and my first computer book was 'Sad Macs, Bombs, and Other Disasters'. I must have rebuilt that thing a dozen times! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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There's a Hell of a thick line between liking something and worshipping it -- and anyone who knows anything about anything won't worship a brand, because a company is only as good as its last Note 7... cr@ppy OS... product.
As always, it's those with only a little learning who make the most trouble.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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That reminds me of Steve jobs saying for Tablets "Macbooks should come with Sandpapers to use those arrow keys: 
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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Just got a Lenovo lappy and they put the page up key where the shift key should be. It would be bad enough if I was a touch typist but I'm not and it is really irritating.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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One of my lappies (ASUS K53S) has the inverted T cursor keys such that up lives where my finger expects the last bit of the right shift key. So, hold shift, glance down for $ or whatever and wind up typing 4 a couple of pages above where I intended $. GRRR!!!! Fortunately I found a decent wireless keyboard/mouse combo. The keyboard with the legs down neatly straddles the lappie keyboard. And a real rodent beats the hell out of a touchpad.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Peter_in_2780 wrote: And a real rodent beats the hell out of a touchpad
When I plugged in the wireless rat it disabled the touchpad which was not a problem until the rat ran out of battery. No extra battery and no touchpad - irritating in the extreme.
I later found I can have both active as only the install disables the touchpad.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Must be the same bunch of guys who insist putting a "fn" key on bottom left of all laptop keyboard, instead of usual Ctrl.
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My new mobile phone has a feature that activates every Sunday, and creates a lovely slideshow, complete with soothing music, of all the photos taken during the week.
So now I can sit down, every Sunday, and enjoy a lovely candle-lit meal with my beautiful wife, and we can gaze with unabashed romanticism at the pictures of hardware cabinets, server blades, terminal servers, etc.
Such joy these amazing phone-app developers bring us, and how wise they are to make the apps impossible to uninstall (without root), because it is certain that everyone will want the apps to switch themselves on every Sunday until forever.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Use this to uninstall unwanted application without root-ing your phone: The Magic Tool[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Ah, but one must not give in to temptation -- especially on a Sunday.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Such a good idea because everyone has Sunday off[^]! 
veni bibi saltavi
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They must have carefully studied the advice in the book: "How to get your Inbox Stuffed to the Brim with Hate Mail".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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