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My overseas friends, do any of you live in a country where women legally get paid at a lower rate than men, or even if it is not done but legal to do so? This pay per work ratio, not gross income, as women statistically take more time off work, and throw maternity leave into that, they often take home less.
I need some info for a fellow Saffer that says he knows of no Western country where it's legal, and I think he is wrong there, and I wouldn't mind citing a few other countries such as in the middle East and Asia.
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Yes it must be going on, but it can be masked in ways, to make it hard to see if it is going on. Just because it is Legal (unlikely in any country where there are discrimination laws) or not, doesn't mean that an employer could be doing it deliberately, but it may come across as if they are.
What I mean is, when people negotiate for a package, or are made an offer, these offers can be subject to lots of factors, past experience, years in role, competitor experience etc. etc. If you are a poor negotiator, you could end up way off your peers.
In the middle-east where you have multi-nationality environments, you can get huge pay spreads for the same role, e.g. lowest 70KUSD to highest over 200KUSD for doing the same job role. I am sure this occurs globally.
Edit: See this page: Equal pay for equal work - Wikipedia[^], it give you a break down on some of the countries and laws that apply.
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Happens in lots of companies in the UK.
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Happens all the time, but hidden mostly...Women do not complain as afraid to lost any possibility to employment on the long run (bad news travel fast?)...
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In germany is a lot of discussion in this field, but when in statistics all facts like education, experience and overtime work is factored in, the gap comes down to 5-7%. And that is the difference between some good and some very hard negotiations.
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Greetings from Germany
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Tricky. As Richard pointed out this can occur in UK. Also add Aus & NZ to that bag.
What's happened there is the government has allowed companies to offer individual contracts to staff and ignore the old union mandated standard terms. So even as Dave pointed out in Middle East 2 identically skilled/experienced people doing the same job can be on different pay (and also bound by contract not to discuss with each other.)
While govts in most "western" countries can mandate minimum wages, that's the limit - even hen can be exceptions ('on training' and very long internships for instance.)
The most common killer these days is companies putting staff on "part time" contracts, a good example is supermarket workers - even if they are doing 40 hours + per week. What this often lets the company further remove from entitlements are items (not always, but quite often) such as holiday pay, medical, insurance (unless company negligence is cause), even overtime loading can be cut. (Becoming common for say supermarkets not to pay extra for public holidays or after midnight because they say their operation is 24/7 so workers are always on "normal" operating hours).
As to gender based pay scaling, doesn't matter where you are (even in countries without regulations):
if officially asked: "no," [ducking pigs hovering overhead] in real life "almost always - one way or another."
Off topic but related: Also can remember seeing ads for an Asian airlines Cabin Crew: stating applicants must be female, slim, single, age and height ranges were also given.
Not that I particularly want to see rotund older men in a cheongsams, but really I don't mind the older or/and m/f crew on other airlines - they are often way less stuck up than the 'pretty young things' on the Asian lines.
Sin tack ear lol
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That it occurs - I'd certainly bet on it.
The validity of the statistics, however, leave a bad taste in my mouth.
The claim (here, USA) is that women earn 76% of what men earn.
What's not made clear is this:
1) Same job, same experience, yet lower pay - THIS SHOULD BE CRIMINAL
2) Jobs 'equated' as equal - this is relatively meaningless as equating two different positions as equal is arbitrary and can be used to manufacture statistics.
3) Sum all male pay, all female pay, divide one by the other and call that the disparity. This is illogical as it doesn't take into account the type of work, or anything else.
I give 100% support to rectifying (1) - but wince at legislation based upon (2) or (3). As Disraeli note: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: 1) Same job, same experience, yet lower pay - THIS SHOULD BE CRIMINAL
What if one person does the job much better? Shouldn't they get paid more?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Give them a promotion?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Give them a promotion?
To what? Both are senior developers. The next level up is a manager.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Brady Kelly wrote: My overseas friends, do any of you live in a country where women legally get paid at a lower rate than men, or even if it is not done but legal to do so?
Uh, what?
It's also "legal" for a man to get paid less than another man. You get paid the figure you and your employer agree upon, and that's pretty much the end of it.
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That is a really puerile reply. All the other respondents have managed to grasp what I mean, yet you pick apart the letter of my question while totally ignoring the spirit.
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As for Germany is considered, I think there is pay parity as long as you are port of the rates set by union. Any employee, is assigned a grade and the pay associated with that grade is given to the person irrespective of the gender. But as people move into the corporate ladder then there is imbalance in pay because they are out of the union's purview.
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Only 400M after the Big One.
That's crazy. Wow.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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It's been there all that time, and we've only just noticed it.
Reminds me of my car keys.
I hope they keep checking in on it with the best kit available. The light from it is so old that there must be things we can learn.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Especially when you arrive and the wife then says, "I think I left the iron on." or "Did you lock the front door?" 
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If you go there you won't return someday 
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Maybe, but the 32bn light years is only an estimate, so it might be just down the road, past the snack bar.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Cool!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Just got back from saying farewell to my best friend. We had a good run. 14 years old made him an old dog. RIP Smokey "Little" Bear. I will miss you. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
I don't want to live on this miserable rock anymore.
Speed of sound - 1100 ft/sec
Speed of light - 186,000 mi/sec
Speed of stupid - instantaneous.
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Sorry for your loss.
All pets should come with a warning that 'this will not end well'.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: a warning
I didn't get the "Do not get attached" label....
Speed of sound - 1100 ft/sec
Speed of light - 186,000 mi/sec
Speed of stupid - instantaneous.
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Dunno about the warning, get a parrot, they often outlive their owners, and also never get over screeching at small hours of the night if 'lucky' son-in-law that inherited the damn thing forgot to give it enough food.
Sin tack ear lol
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