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As it's getting to the end of th sailing season, SWMBO and myself decided to take a four day sailing weekend, starting on Friday. In case a client needed remote support, I planned to take my laptop with me. When I turned the laptop on on Thursday, I had to wait about 20 minutes for MS to phuque up update my machine.
Come Friday, it booted fine, I did a couple of hours work, and then shut down to head for the Marina. Usual blue screen - Do not turn your computer off etc etc ad nauseam. No 'by your leave' or 'we can do it later'. Just 'Do not turn off your computer'. Of course, I was not able to get back into the machine to change the 'when I shut the lid' option to something other than 'Switch off' and if I stuffed the laptop into a suitcase or grip it would die from overheating. I just grabbed my ancient netbook, and left the machine deliberating.
Now, suppose I had been going on a business trip, and the taxi was waiting at the door to take me to the airport. These would be my choices:
0. Slam the lid shut and hope for the best, and end up with no computer, screw up the trip and get fired.
1. Leave the laptop behind, screw up the trip and get fired.
2. Wait for it to finish, miss the 'plane, screw up the trip and get fired.
3...Well, you get the picture.
As far as I am concerned, this makes Windows 10 utterly useless, and not fit for purpose as a laptop OS. For instance, you turn on the machine to give an important presentation in a client's office - and MS kindly lock the machine for the next 20 minutes.
So, to summarize,
AS A LAPTOP OPERATING SYSTEM WINDOWS 10 IS NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE
Here endeth the second rant - the first one I wrote on Friday would have got me banned instantly.
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Turn off the updates. Seriuosly. Been there with Win7, done that. It happened only once that I actually needed an update (my TomTom wasn't connecting with the PC and there was an update). Selected it manually and installed, then disabled.
If the system is so unstabel to need several updates per week, I remove it and put an older one.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote: Turn off the updates. Seriuosly. Been there with Win7, done that
Well, obviously you haven't been there with winten as that option isn't existing anymore. 
What you can do is to open services and disable Windows Update (wuauserv).
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: open services and disable Windows Update (wuauserv)
Guess what I have just done? 
However, would the average business user know about that? I suspect not.
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I used to disable it that way because juggling between several different OS seriously hampered with my GUI capabilities.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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From what I've read you can only do that with the ultimate version of Windows 10, everything else you can only postpone.
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Chris C-B wrote: the first one I wrote on Friday would have got me banned instantly.
Can't you post it in the soapbox, I'm always open to expand my vocabulary. 
But seriously, the utterly idiotic setting that you simply can't postpone an update should get someone at Microsoft fired instantly!
My personal, but not very good, solution is to enable the hibernate in the Power menu (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Power Options\System Settings, scroll to the bottom).
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Can't you post it in the soapbox, I'm always open to expand my vocabulary.
I'm afraid it went to that great bit-bucket in the sky on Saturday morning when I realized that even I did not know many of the words I used.
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I wish there was an upside to this where could sarcastically point out that you should have done this or that but there just isn't.
I took my brand new laptop - win 10 - away last week to where I have limited, very expensive bandwidth. Guess what happened.
They are really trying to piss off their user base.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: They are have really trying to pissed off their user base.
FTFY
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No issues with Win10 on my ThinkPad X1 Carbon...and that included the autoupdate from win 8.1
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DaveAuld wrote: No issues yet with Win10 on my ThinkPad X1 Carbon...and that included the autoupdate from win 8.1
Law of averages.
The number of nightmare stories about winio is immense. I've already had two. You're bound to get one soon.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Chris C-B wrote: AS A LAPTOP OPERATING SYSTEM
I'm not sure I would limit it to just laptops. 
Marc
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heh.
Yeah, it's a universal nightmare.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Have you thought setting the option in the Win10 update-facility that lets you define a range of hours in which (theoretically ?) it will not attempt to update/restart ?
Settings/Update & Security/Windows Update/Change Active Hours
bon voyage, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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In Win 10 Pro, I don't have that option. All I have is the 'Notify to schedule restart' set. Apparently, this is ignored for what MS considers 'Critical updates' - which must be the case as I have it set.
I also have 'Defer upgrades' set - so no anniversary update yet. Maybe when I retire...
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Unfortunately, the option is not present on some machines, and treated as a "guideline" on the rest (i.e. totally ignored, four times out of nine).
Another option, which does actually do some good, is the "metered connection" setting (wi-fi only) -- but if you set that, winio will not allow you to use bluetooth at all, out of pure bitchiness, I presume.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Have Windows 10 on the dell sitting next to me. Works just fine. My sons are still using Windows 7 on their laptops--big pain in the ass.
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"Early German eats noodle soup and finishes off with a drug, resulting in this blown instrument (9)"
Good luck!
Andy B
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Saxophone
Saxon - early Germanic tribe.
Pho - Noodle soup - Vietnamese - had to look it up but it sounds quite nice.
E - I wouldn't know ...
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Well done! You're up tomorrow 
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Saxophone
Early German - SAXON
eats - put in...
noodle soup - PHO
finishes off with a drug - E
blown instrument - SAXO-PHO-N-E
danged second, now I can't waste my morning tomorrow 
veni bibi saltavi
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Hah! You will anyway!
Me? I was trying to work HARMONICA in there... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Good morning guys!
I don't post that often over here, but I thought I might give it a try with the following situation I currently find myself in.
With the recent cockups MS has been making (NSA, no VoIP support on mobile SDK, End User License agreement questionability etc.), I have decided to take a stab at Ubuntu/Linux. Now I am not an expert on using that OS, but I find myself comfortably using it for the most part and for the instances where I do get stuck, Google usually has my back.
I am a 9 years+ experienced .Net developer in C# with some SQL background (for the most part). I want to broaden my horizons a bit and want to start coding some more in C, C++ and maybe a little Java and I think the best way to learn might be to start contributing to some open source projects using Linux as my dev environment, but I have no idea where to start.
I have installed Git, Android Studio, VSCode, compiled and executed a basic .Net Core console app, I did a helloworld with C and gcc, but I really want to get to the more gritty C stuff and start learning how the olden gray-bearded ones did/do things.
My question(s) is/are this:
Is Eclipse still a viable IDE to use, or do you have any better suggestions? What tips do you guys have for transitioning from VS2015 C# .Net to Linux C development? Do you have any open source project recommendations that I might look at as I embark on this new, strange journey? Is the earth in fact flat?
I'm really excited, but I am completely lost.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
while(alive)
{
Code();
Sleep();
Eat();
AllTheOtherNonEssentials();
}
throw new ObjectDisposedException();
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I think with Java IDE's you'll find most people are quite opinionated about which is better and it is generally the one they are more used to.
I have used both Eclipse and Netbeans and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Trying to be objective, I'd choose Netbeans, as I have had mostly positive experiences with it, over Eclipse, which is steaming pile of doggy doo-doos.
Hope this helps.
veni bibi saltavi
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