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So, today the product owner for my team was a minute and a half late to our daily scrum meeting. We were already done... 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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The Daily Scrum is not meant to be attended by anyone other than the members of the Development Team. This includes the Product Owner. In fact, the Scrum Master is not even required to attend.
" -- Professional Scrum Development with Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2012, Richard Hundhausen
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The Scrum Master enforces the rule that only Development Team members participate in the Daily Scrum.
" -- scrumguides.org
modified 22-Jun-15 11:47am.
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That's true but I still approve of rapid stand-ups in the Daily Scrum.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Yes, brevity is the soul of many things. 
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As a Delphi shop, we eschew all things Microsoft**, and as such, we follow the guide from Scrum.org rather than anything Microsoft has published.
Also, he (product owner) doesn't fully participate in the meeting. He observes, then clarifies any issues or questions that arise.
** This isn't entirely true, but for purposes of this post, it holds true.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Only the team participate, but
1) it is an open meeting that anyone may observe.
2) there is a fair chunk of discussion as to whether PO is part of the team there are valid arguments in both directions so it makes sense for the team to manage in whichever fashion they see fit (they won their process)
3) Would we ban someone talking at stand up (such as SME the team have asked for help) just to comply with an MS or Scrumguide view? that would be a bit daft....
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1) OK
2) The Product Owner is a member of the Scrum Team, but is not a member of the Development Team.
3) "The Development Team or team members often meet immediately after the Daily Scrum for detailed discussions, or to adapt, or replan, the rest of the Sprint’s work."
If you're not following the Scrum Guide, you're not doing Scrum. And that's OK; no one says you have to. I'm not, but at least I know I'm not.
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Quote: If you're not following the Scrum Guide, you're not doing Scrum. And that's OK; no one says you have to. I'm not, but at least I know I'm not.
But that's not true, pretty much every scrum guide and or book (whether it's The Scrum Guide or other) clearly say that scrum is empirically adaptive, the teams should tweak the framework to what suits them best. Obviously diverge too far and you are no longer doing scrum, but I really don't think whether a PO is active in the daily is pushing the limit to say what is being done is no longer scrum. If the discussions change the daily from a quick sync to something else then I would coach the team away from it, but if it still a daily sync that is useful to the team, then run with it and accept that is how your team want to use scrum at that moment in time.
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The best daily scrum is the one that doesn't happen.
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Thanks Ghu agile never actually took hold here, despite them hiring an entire team of consultants to implement it throughout the organisation.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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The problem here is that it partially took hold. Some people took the time to learn how it works and are all in, but others are entirely resistant to the idea of change. One tester in particular complains all the time about how our process is flawed and needs to be changed, but now that we are trying to change, he just complains that changing won't achieve anything... 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Colin Mullikin wrote: tester
Nit picking, pedantic, anally retentive PITA. Essential resources but what a bunch of...
I work for a bank, a more conservative organisation I have never heard of. The sheer inertia of this organisation will defeat any radical or even mild change. Senior management decreed change will come, the drones just keep on doing what they have always done. I have tried to implement a bug reporting system a few times, I still have to work with excel sheets and emails bah
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Hey there folks. ~
So i just finished my last school exams so im officially a FREE man with no school responsibilities! 
Now its time to enter college and look on my future!
ATM i have started learning c# programming language by reading a great BOOK from rob miles used by (department of computer science at university of hall) and im trying hard to understand the concepts of the language, but i like it.
Now at my main purpose of this thread:
About certifications like comptia , microsoft etc.
I have to tell you that im not experienced in programming as i told u before im at bigginer lvl at c# atm. Is there any certificate that i can follow atm which i can pass without any pro knowledge of programming? But only reading book?
(NOT COMPTIA A+ i tried it last year and its waste of time , meaning that the knowledge is most of the time OUTDATED. )
So what you offer me?
(i have 3 months untill i enter my university )
ASK ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION
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So you basically want a certificate that shows you are a beginner? 
GeorgeZiozas wrote: Is there any certificate that i can follow atm which i can pass without any pro knowledge of programming?
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I think my question was clear.
I am looking for a certificate that i can pass by reading material that doesnt requires me to have some prior knowledge of difficult concepts like sql dbs and other.
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Microsoft wise I would have a look at this, only know of it as we had an apprentice in for an interview who had one. Plus I am not sure what weight they have.
MTA Certification[^]
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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GeorgeZiozas wrote: im officially a FREE man with no school responsibilities!
Now its time to enter college
Years ago I got the MCSD (Microsoft Certified Software Developer) certification to help me get my first programming job. I don't think it's called MCSD anymore but just get some of the C# certifications and SQL ones. Once you have gotten your first job certifications likely won't help much anymore.
But glad to see that you're focused and ready to go. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Am not aware of a quick C# certification, but if you're interested in the Web, read on ...
HTML5 from edX[^]
The course started on 1st June, but the first, second and third assignments are due by 27th. Doable in four days; of course, may be a struggle. The Honour Code certificate is for free.
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The first thing you have to learn is ENGLISH! Do not write messages in txtspk - no one appreciates it - you need to be perfectly clear.
As far as certifications go; there was a time a few years back when they were devalued as you could pay someone to take them for you. Not sure now but, because of that, many people still discount them. Take courses that actually teach you something rather than get you to remember things for an exam.
Other than that, enjoy the few months off you have as the next time you'll get that are either when you are out of work, in prison or retired!
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I'm with Kapel on this, you MUST be able to communicate properly to be a developer. Using txtspk will eliminate you from any opportunities that may arise. Remember the hirer is looking for the smallest excuse to bin your CV/communication, after all he may have 22 others to review!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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GeorgeZiozas wrote: rob miles used by (department of computer science at university of hall)
I'm pretty sure that should be the Department of Computer Science at the University of Hull, not hall. [It's where I got my degree years ago and I remember Rob].
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...for stowaways[^] 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Hahaha, that is amazing! Cat seemed pretty comfortable just holding on to that bar.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Chinese would say it's flying cat sweet & sour
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