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I was thinking about the post below, and wondered if anyone could tell me any advantage of sitting in an open-plan office compared to private rooms.
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There are none in my opinion. In our company they think that it's good that the programmers can "share knowledge" and confer about problems without having to move their butt out of the chair.
Personally, I have no problem getting up and walking 5 meters to the next room if I need to ask something... Besides: Isn't that what Scrum meetings are for?
It's just flucking laziness, and the price we pay is getting interrupted every flucking second.
Earlier, I've ranted about the collegue sitting right in front of me bringing in breakfast and eating it very noisily at his desk. Well, he did that again today! How can you tell somebody nicely to eat their breakfast at home in a time where everybody are so up tight and selfish, always claiming that they sure have the right to do any flucking thing they want?
Now look what you've done: You got me started on this... It's gonna be a long week! 
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
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Reason for asking is that we've moved offices, and now we're sitting in an open-plan office.
And I feel that it sucks big donkey balls.
I want to hear some good reason to sit in an open-plan office.
And on that subject, "Share knowledge" is an illusion when everyone needs to have earphones on to survive.
Oh, and by the way, this is why you shouldn't interrupt a programmer./[^]
Now I'm going to f*** up your week completely and ask about the advantages of scrum. 
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: And I feel that it sucks big donkey balls.
I can only agree! 
Jörgen Andersson wrote: Now I'm going to f*** up your week completely and ask about the advantages of scrum.
Basically same answer: There are none...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: advantages of scrum
Get some rest in the middle of day...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Quote: advantages of scrum
It is a method of restarting play after an infringement ... although Brian Moore may argue about it's advantages 
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WiganLatics wrote: although Brian Moore may argue about it's advantages
FTFY
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Yes, you may be right there 
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Johnny J. wrote: Earlier, I've ranted about the collegue sitting right in front of me bringing in breakfast and eating it very noisily at his desk. Well, he did that again today!
Fart loudly while he is eating.
If he says anything tell him to go someplace else to eat.
I have no qualms about being rude to rude people.
On the other hand if people are courteous to me I treat them in kind.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
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It is good to be able to share things without moving to another room. Your problem is not with open plan, it's with having dicks for co-workers, although I do accept that it's easier to shut the dicks out of your life if you can literally shut a door on them.
Johnny J. wrote: How can you tell somebody nicely to eat their breakfast at home in a time where everybody are so up tight and selfish, always claiming that they sure have the right to do any flucking thing they want?
"Do you mind not eating your breakfast here, it's very distracting?"
You might not get a nice response if he's an inconsiderate bastard but if it's just that he doesn't know he's being annoying it might work.
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The arse hats I work with would just open their office doors and yell to each other. At least this way they know if I stand up they're going to be asked to keep it down. If they were in offices I'd have to walk over there.
The basic problem is most people are elephants, doesn't matter how you arrange their desks.
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the advantages of open plan offices
for the company
1, ease of reorganisation
2, occupancy levels (their is a minimum space /person in the UK in an open plan office this is effectively unachievable but can be reached in small offices)
3, the ability to see everyone
4, less walls = less maintenance
5, cooling/heating issues easier to control
for the developers
none
disadvantages
for the company
1, a bit of wittering from the unimportant people
for the developers
1, distracting environment
2, proliferation of any and all bugs
3, the loud guy
4, interruptions
5, temp never suitable for all
6, borrowers
etc
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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I'd like to add as a disadvantage for the company - Lowered productivity, because of everything you listed as disadvantages for the developers.
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but that's the developers fault not the company and will be punished in the next review
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Didn't think about that. 
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I have never had a private room, so could not tell tell you.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I've never sat in an open-plan office until now, and I hate it.
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So does anybody whose privilege is taken back.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I have never seen any functional advantage. All it seems to be to me is a noise-distribution system -- i.e. the noise made by everyone is distributed to everyone's ears, instead of to enclosing walls.
It's great for big egos, who need everyone to hear every word they say, and for poor managers, who have to use draconian "You can't hide!" methods to make people work, rather than make an effort to get the best out of them.
The majority of developers, however, want peace and quiet and no interruptions, because of the nature of the work.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I like it because it's more sociable and because you can go and ask anyone a question when you need to. A project team definitely needs to be in a single room, because interaction within the team is important to actually get stuff done, but when you're in a consultancy and project teams change around a lot, it's good to be in touch with anyone who might be on your next team (i.e. anyone) all the time.
Personal or small team offices always feel isolating and lonely to me.
It does require a certain ability to blank distractions, and also a certain level of discipline for everyone working in the office to not be unnecessarily distracting, to work well. You need to respect that the office is your workmates' working space as well as your own, and not eat loud or smelly food, have private phone calls or talk excessively loudly, and you also need to respect that while you can go and bother anyone at any time for a question, you should think about whether you need to or not first.
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If the guy sitting on the other side of the partition from me does not stop talking before the end of the day I am going to tell him that he:
* Is, at best, a mediocre programmer.
* Treats the graduate developer he is assigned to mentor very poorly.
* Giggles like a little girl at his own jokes which are never funny.
* Often makes mistakes when marking programming tests we give to candidates but no one has the energy to argue with him any more because he has never, not even once, been wrong in his life.
* Is overweight & has man boobs.
* Is disliked by almost everyone else here.
* Is often the cause of bitching around the water cooler.
* Minces when he walks.
* Has a fugly wife.
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Feel the Office love!  
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_Josh_ wrote: If the guy sitting on the other side of the partition from me
Mate- that's not a partition....
It's a mirror!
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