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You missed the zeroth law:
0. A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.
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No, he just never read the books : )
BTW, it took me forever to find forward the foundation, the greatest Sci-Fi tie in ever because it was out of print, then Amazon comes along : (
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My favorite stories. Just bought a new hardback edition of the trilogy.
The greatest sci-fi author, bar none.
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Yeah, I like him too. And thought the same, until I realized he was essentially a communist.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: I realized he was essentially a communist Just because he was of Russian descent?
Software Zen: delete this;
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No, because if you read the novels closely you will see that. And also his political philosophy was at least socialistic.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Chris Quinn wrote: A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.
What if the robots decide that humans are the greatest threat to humanity and eliminate us?
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If you read your Azimov, you'll see that he had the "brain" as hardwiring rather than as a form of byte code, and that the complexity of the positronic brain would prevent rewiring. This was cleverly documented in the first encounter with R Daneel Olivaw.
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Nonsense.
As soon as an entity understands the concept law, it will understand that it can be defied.
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Without thinking too hard about it, these are two issues I see immediately:
1. A human will have to encode these rules. How often do we infallibly develop perfect software?
Assuming we can get past item 1 -
2. If we let the robots self replicate, that will be the fatal flaw. The rate they will be able to evolve will be beyond anything that we are able to comprehend. There was only a single robot in control in iRobot. Imagine 1 robot for every human being on the planet thinking, self-replicating and evolving.
That would seem to end in the same scenario as the with the Black Goo and nanotechnology.
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Paul Watt wrote: How often do we infallibly develop perfect software
Yeah, Asimov even based some of his stories on error like that.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I'm guessing you watched the movie, but didn't read the book.
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In my busy schedule I like the summary that movies provide - not all the time though world war z (movie) was a giant let down
so yeah i didnt read the i-robot book.
Chona1171
Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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The only similarity between the book "I, Robot" and the film "I, Robot" is the title
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Chris Quinn wrote: The only similarity between the book "I, Robot" and the film "I, Robot" is the title Truth.
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The book is well worth the effort.
It's actually a series of short stories that deal with the what ifs of getting around the 3 laws. It's not a goofy action movie script.
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The anthology I, Robot (or better yet, The Complete Robot, which adds several later short stories) should be just a start. By the time Asimov wrote Caves of Steel, he was already seeing the flaws in the Three Laws. By the last Robot novels, Robots of Dawn and Robots and Empire, he was setting up a way to abandon them completely and segue into the robot-less future he had created with Foundation.
If you have the time to read the whole lot (definitely a summer project) it is worth the time.
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Really? Nice! I hadn't gotten that far at all.
I'll definitely bump those up in that huge sci-fi queue I have.
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Yeah, I'm not THAT interested in Azimov. I'll read maybe a couple more.
I didn't realize they were all in the same universe.
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If the potential to cause harm is included in the concept of causing harm or allowing it by inaction, then you two exceptions are covered by the 1st of your laws.
Simply put, a robot creating a robot that is not excluded from causing harm to humans (inaction via omitting said imperative), must do so without any idea that harm could be done by said robot's robot. They would then be creating a device that can harm humans - but that goes against (1).
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According to Asimov, the fear was that a robot could perform an action that does not cause direct harm, but which is harmful anyway at some point in the future. We see this sort of thing far too often in humans: "I just planted the landmines, it is not my fault that you stepped on one." Why should we expect that an artificial life form, engineered to be faster and smarter than humans, would be less creative in justifying its actions?
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Gregory.Gadow wrote: Why should we expect that an artificial life form, engineered to be faster and smarter than humans, would be less creative in justifying its actions?
Again, per (1) "Quote: A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. " means that, should the robot cleverly think about any possibility of human harm then then they are constrained to prevent it.
Harm creativity would have to be totally accidental, and were it's harmful nature discovered, would fall into the category of forbidden.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Asimov himself thought otherwise
Through his characters, he stated that the redundancy was part of the Frankenstein Complex, the human fear, built up by centuries of stories, that slaves and creations always -- always rebel and seek vengeance on their captors. Since humans can find ways to justify atrocities while still genuinely believing that they did not cause harm, it is reasonable to think that robots, too, could find ways. The in-universe rationale was redundancy, doubling up in an effort to plug a potential loophole, no matter how remote the chance that it could be used. This is also how the Three Laws became so embedded into the design of the positronic brain that it became impossible to create a positronic brain without the Three Laws.
In any case, all of your objections -- and my justifications, for that matter -- are irrelevant. Asimov said "I want this for my plot" and it was so. Authors can be pushy like that.
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