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MS is reporting that the Surface Pro and Surface Book are selling well enough, despite the prices. So, there's gotta be a market for them.
That said, I don't see anyone buying MS hardware because of brand name fanaticism.
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I didn't see people buying MacBooks or iMacs because of brand fanaticism either but plenty of people think they did just because they think Apple prices were too high.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I didn't see people buying MacBooks or iMacs because of brand fanaticism either
So you've never encountered any discussion where Apple is compared basically with a religion?
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I know I have. And I know I've encountered the same about MS here on CP.
Jeremy Falcon
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I honestly can't say I've ever met anyone though who gets a hard-on from MS in the same way some Apple users do.
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I have. Plenty man. Anyway, I think any rational adult will find both faults and good things in both companies. If we were only rational adults. 
Jeremy Falcon
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MS will eventually fail every user of theirs, big time, at one point or another. Anyone expressing the same religious fervor about MS as some Apple fanatics do has to have something wrong with them. 
And I'm saying this as someone who:
(a) Would never give Apple a penny
(b) Has made a living off of MS's platform all of his life
(c) Has worked for a company that got acquired by MS and made a decent profit in the process
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Totally agreed. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Only where the group consists of Apple bashers who think it's a religion for whatever reason. I've heard that some Apple fans can be over the top but I've never actually seen it.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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dandy72 wrote: That said, I don't see anyone buying MS hardware because of brand name fanaticism.
Um... xbox. Hello?
And in the PC world that has more to do with the fact that MS is primarily a software company. Kinda hard to play favorites to something that only recently started with tablets.
Jeremy Falcon
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I don't think bringing a gaming console into a discussion about computer hardware helps you make your point.
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I beg to differ.
Jeremy Falcon
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I don't own a console, but based on everything I keep reading, I'd say more people claim MS has dropped the ball with the latest Xbox than those who don't.
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I'm not big into gaming these days, but I can totally agree with that.
Jeremy Falcon
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I haven't been into gaming for a decade (at least), but I still make an exception every couple of years when a new GTA installment comes out for the PC (I've put together brand new machines for it and it alone)
I'm still not getting anybody's console though. Though if I had to pick one, I'd pick the Xbox only because I hate Sony with a passion. So it's not exactly something MS should be proud of.
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dandy72 wrote: I'm still not getting anybody's console though.
I thought so too, and yet Nintendo announced this, NES Classic Edition[^] . I must have this. It must be done.
Jeremy Falcon
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Nice.
Doesn't that say a lot though that the most desirable gaming console is one that's what, 30+ years old?
Heck I'd buy a brand new Commodore 64 if I could.
[Edit]
Had to laugh at the trailer:
"Revisit retro gaming's greatest icons in HD"
Having every game pixel blown up 10x doesn't "make it HD". 
Still - at $60, including 30 games, it's a no-brainer. Never had a NES, but I just might get one.
modified 28-Oct-16 13:05pm.
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dandy72 wrote: Doesn't that say a lot though that the most desirable gaming console is one that's what, 30+ years old?
True that man. Same goes for movies right now too. Just remaking older stuff that had a story.
Jeremy Falcon
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Don't get me started.
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Bringing IP cameras into a discussion about computer hacking is pretty pointless, too.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Point is that it's relevant, whether or not anyone thinks so.
As Jeremy said, the xbox is likely to have a fanbase that would tend toward buying ms hardware, primarily because of the xbox integration in w8 and winio.
Me, I just want hardware that works and isn't overpriced. The manufacturer and the OS are meaningless, to me, as long as I can do my work (which I see as being kinda the point of having a computer).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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dandy72 wrote: I don't see anyone buying MS hardware because of brand name fanaticism.
No, but they might because they foolishly believe that there's a better than 40% chance that ms hardware will still work, after the next windows update.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mike Mullikin wrote: My money is on hypocrisy.
Jeremy Falcon
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